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Alcogooglic, that was good.
Thing is - there is a 'synergy' between most webmasters & Google. Sure, I love toeing the line as much as the next person, perhaps more so.
In time, Google would figure it out anyway. Besides, 'clever folks' have long since taken anything they deem 'too secret' off the board. But then, somebody will end up posting it here, anyway...so perhaps you keep a secret for a few days / weeks / months, or even some years.
The search engine / optimization industry is too fun - to sit on the side lines, like a miser, hoarding 'gold' when there is more than enough to share...
The search engine / optimization industry is too fun - to sit on the side lines, like a miser, hoarding 'gold' when there is more than enough to share...
Well put, Jeremy.
- Chad
"The search engine / optimization industry is too fun - to sit on the side lines, like a miser, hoarding 'gold' when there is more than enough to share..."
Jeremy Do you really think that most of the guys here are going to share how they are getting into google. I know there are some here who not talking about what they are doing. Even if they are white collar, non aggressive spammers.
I am white collar SEO so it dont make much difference to me if you are spamming. I dont worry about spammers in my area because they are easy to beat with white collar skills.
Mrguy as I said above I am not a spammer. Getting google to index my pages is not difficult.
I am just saying that if you find a way in take it milk it for all its worth and then you can share it.
I think most of the veterans already do this anyway.
I try new things (all legal according to Googles TOS) to see what happens and If I see any descent results, I certainly don't run here and tell everybody about it.
The professional will speak little and read a lot. The other will go to great lengths to share their personal insight regardless of the facts or consequences of their actions. They speak a lot and listen little, not for the purpose of generating additional revenue for their business, rather to hear the sound of their own voice being sooo clever.
The trick is knowing which is which.
There are plenty of great ideas here that I still haven't gotten the chance to use. So, in many ways, it makes no sense to give away the farm, so to speak.
For a some of people, it could be that even the smallest amount of what we consider 'basic optimization' here might take their site to #1 for all their keywords.
And, it could be a very lucrative industry. For others, even the 'advanced' stuff that is discussed here, won't improve them 1 notch on the SERP.
So, different 'stuff' is needed, in different situations.
A post I was reading the other day by martinibuster said that the web is very organic, and in order to get something, first you must give something away.
Hence my continued participation here, even after reading this place for almost 3 years.
If I decided to sit on the sidelines, "hoarding" my info, I might not get any new info in return. More or less, that was the 'gist' of my thoughts above...
DaveN
When your competition is using your old tactics then you're good to go.
Plus, you can tell all the secrets there are, but it's how they are implemented that really matters, and that should differ for everyone.
Title tag we all agree they a V.Important so i did a bit of research in dynamically creating Title tags from a product database so that every product had it's own title tag dynamically.
DaveN
Oh, there are some good ones. In fact, there was a huge exploit ....uh, nevermind. Personally, I do think that most of the sustainable exploits now take a fair amount of firepower to develop and maintain. They often independently developed aren't discussed in forums (here or elsewhere).
I had a molar extracted 2 days ago. Is there some connection between WebmasterWorld and dental issues? I must admit, since discovering WebmasterWorld some time ago, the time I have for trivial issues such as eating, sleeping, basic hygeine, family has decreased somewhat :)
The old secrets are great, even if they no longer work, as they assist with thinking outside the square and dispel any "I have a new trick that I will now spend the next month implementing and aren't I so clever" lines of thought.
Time saved + strategies learned - time spent reading - dental and therapy bills = more effective site.
It's all good..
Oh how true. You can always spot the guy making the most money from search engines. He's always the one who never seems to have anything to say....
If this keeps up, you'll lose more teeth, won't be able to eat and your hygiene will drive even your family away. That'll free your time a lot more. Trust me, I know all about this. It's all good.
They explain the whole algo, but its so good its impossible to spam.
(ideal game theory?)
Meanwhile, this remains the biggest forum on Webmasterworld.
I find it interesting that if we keep talking about google and letting them know, well some of us, how do get into their index they will change it. So if you know how be vauge and ingeneral.
This is quite odd?
There are three kinds of business people.
1. hmmm... now I know -- I'll just do it myself.
2. Eyes glaze over on hearing we'll add keywords..., and
3. I don't have the time... I got a business to run.
So while you are protecting so-called "trade secrets" from #1, so you can do it for them, and know full well that your so-called "trade secrets" are protected with group #2,
That third group (and the most profitable I might add) you'll never reach and therefore is left for those that demonstrate... qualified knowledge, skill-sets, and credibility for a long term relationship.
In addition... if and when group #1 fails due to limited overall knowledge, they are more apt to return to the consultant that was most forthcoming, and a second crack at the relationship.
As for Google... Their interest is protecting the quality and integrity of the index... if no spam tactics are used and quality website information is pushed forward -- do you really believe Google will change from this so SEM(O) can't make a living. Google can adjust the algo as much as they want -- you can't lose! ;)
We spent far too much time worying about hiding secrets from type 1, instead of searching out the type 3 customers.
Once we found an avenue into the type 3 guys we stopped worrying, and if the odd type 1 nicks our ideas, so be it.
Its better to establish credibility than to hide behind the 'if I told you I'd have to kill you' excuse.
A huge amount of 'secrets' are shared here, but never all at once. The trick is knowing which threads (and which posters) give them away.
...and i feel that google is mature enough to change its algo if all secrets are out. ;)
No matter how you view the equation > if the knowledge you have today is NOT shared you are slowly losing out.
Before becoming a member > I was fairly profitable > since becoming a member that profitability increased four-fold.
Not because I'm better > just getting better marketability.
It hard to market online without sharing "trade secrets". The WebmasterWorld community as a whole is a goldmine > not so much to gobble up and use other members "little nuggets"... but to expand your own net worth of "nuggets" that remains "near forever" in Google's archive.
In today's online marketing climate > businesses don't want to be scammed, so they seek out those that appear trustworthy. "We'll get you ranked..., or no spam tactics here..." qualifies you as Harry's former cousin and not so easily trusted.
A successful SEO, SEM, eMarketer or whatever without a website > a contraction in terms... I just let WebmasterWorld do what it's good at... sharing... and ensure I actively post in threads that have "a question which needs answering".
Lurkers lose, readers get a few "nuggets" to use, but quality active posters get enhance business credibility. The power of "acquired knowledge" and shown is far superior to "hidden knowledge" which goes unseen.
darn -- my secret is out of the bag!;)
[edited by: fathom at 4:04 am (utc) on May 4, 2003]
In short, the "content" is just the tip of the iceburg of the "process". Same goes for other professions like medicine and law but SEO is far far more fast moving...
Sure, some cooks may have a secret ingredient they won't talk about, but it wouldn't take other cooks long to figure out what it is once they taste the food (come across the site in question).
