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Why google

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NuffRespect

5:40 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just want to know why some people feel the are part of the google family. I read threads about people seeing deepcrawl, freshbot and posting their thread, who cares.

Why does google get so much praise and other search engines like MSN seem to get a lot of flak. Don't get me wrong, google is an excellent SE.

Why don't people have the same praise for other companies that dominate their field, e.g. Microsoft. In my experience, MS is seen as control freaks. Do people have a lot of praise for google because their jobs depends on providing their clients with high ranking.

What would happen to webmasters if google didn't exist any more. I just feel that google holds so much power on the net.

Alphawolf

5:53 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What would happen to webmasters if google didn't exist any more. I just feel that google holds so much power on the net.

No need to answer 1st question as G ain't going anywhere but UP.

G does hold a lot of power on the net. That's why they ain't going anywhere but up. :)

AW

miles

5:54 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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At the current time Google provides some of the best free listings. Sure there are some other good engines out there, but they cost money. If you have the money to burn gettin the algo figured out thats fine. MSN is easy to get into, its a paid listing. Google is not.

"What would happen to webmasters if google didn't exist any more. I just feel that google holds so much power on the net."

Thats a good question. Google does hold the torch at the moment, just like AV, Yahoo, and vairous others. The bottom line is that there will be a better engine in the future and google will be come outdated and a vauge memory. But for now it is unfortunatly the hottest item on the net. So that is why we have to play the game. Go where the action is.

Mike_Mackin

5:55 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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As a MAC user, I don't understand why anyone would even go to the M$ site let alone search on it.

rfgdxm1

5:57 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>No need to answer 1st question as G ain't going anywhere but UP.

I suspect not. I have to figure that Yahoo will switch to using Inktomi SERPs, and a lot of people use Yahoo.

rfgdxm1

5:58 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>As a MAC user, I don't understand why anyone would even go to the M$ site let alone search on it.

MS Office does exist in a version for the Mac.

mack

6:04 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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IN the software deveolpment field microsoft are tops but serch is one area where another company calls the shots.

We all talk in great detail about google because if effects us all. Google crawls we all search our logs for the same thing, I think sometimes we get to paranoid though.

jim_w

6:17 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Simply put, yesteryear, about 25% of all our hits came from Altavista and 25% from Yahoo. Then Altavista screwed themselves and we got about 50% of all SE hits from Yahoo. Then google started producing better SE results than yahoo and more people started using google, so now 50% of our hits come from google.

taxpod

6:20 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Interesting thread here. Post begins with why everyone here is writing about Google. The answer might be that this is a Google forum.

Another post says "As a MAC user, I don't understand why anyone would even go to the M$ site let alone search on it." I'm not sure why anyone who uses the infamous "M$" would bother writing anything about MS since using the dollar sign already says how they feel about the company. I'm not advocating MS for sure but why bother wearing your heart on your sleeve like that if you want to make a comment about the company which anyone who doesn't feel the same way about would read?

As to whether Google has more room to move upwards, I think we're seeing a search engine whose growth curve is flattening out. There just isn't that much room to grow. They've already gotten the lion's share of search traffic. After all, the natural limitation for traffic is 100% of search traffic! The general rule is that even if you have a superior product, getting the last few percentage points of market share is the most costly part of the process.

So, I propose that Google is reaching its natural growth limitation. What happens from here is the real story. World economic history is full of rises and falls. Companies / products come onto the scene, rise and fall but the great ones, worth historic note, are those whose product is extended and evolves into more and greater things. Kodak created a box that could take pictures which turned the world on its ear. That product bears little resemblence to either the photographic market or the company Kodak today. Does Yahoo! closely resemble the company they were 5 years ago?

Yidaki

6:42 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Don't get me wrong, google is an excellent SE.

That's a praise. ;)

>As a MAC user, I don't understand why anyone would even go to the M$ site let alone search on it.

Me neither. ;)

BTW: MSN is not a traditional real search engine. They don't show people what they search for but what they should search for in Bill's eyes. (He still has eyes, or!?)

mipapage

6:44 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Interesting thread here. Post begins with why everyone here is writing about Google. The answer might be that this is a Google forum.

Hahah! LOL.

Why do I care so much about Google?

Clients.

Google brings me clients. Simple enough.

Why don't people have the same praise for other companies that dominate their field, e.g. Microsoft.

Google is a whole different concept. Not just the company, but why people like it. Besides just tweaking sites and seeing them rise in the serps, which can be quite satisfying, a certain GoogleGuy comes here and gives us advice and listens! The goal being to build a better product. Personally, I appreciate this fact.
post 100! what a rookie I still am.

killroy

6:50 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"So, I propose that Google is reaching its natural growth limitation. What happens from here is the real story."

Damn right... after all what would everybody think if Google woulld simple freeze and not change for two years... everybody would say it'S dead despite it doing the same thing...

No growth is death, and how to keep on growing when you're at the top is a trick only few have mastered so far...

SN

bunltd

7:04 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Why do I care so much about Google?
Clients.
Google brings me clients. Simple enough.

That's it! Aside from the fact that I just plain like Google - in business you do what works, and Google works.

LisaB

Yidaki

7:17 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>MS Office does exist in a version for the Mac.

So what? It's not a integral part of the mac os - like most of the ms software products are embedded deeply into the winos. Pe. safari is a direct competition to the mac verson of explorer. The "move" campaign says it all. The strategy has changed. Apple goes back to more direct competition ... however, that's to off topic. ;)

Alphawolf

7:30 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I suspect not. I have to figure that Yahoo will switch to using Inktomi SERPs, and a lot of people use Yahoo.

Competition is always good. Will be interesting when they do switch...

AW

d_fused

9:37 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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<quote> As a MAC user, I don't understand why anyone would even go to the M$ site let alone search on it. </qoute>

<!-- It really depends on the visitors themselves. Take ours... mid 50's, browsing the net using preinstalled PCs, takes them ages to fill in the forms, and yes, most of them come from MSN.

Different strokes for different folks... -->

IMHO

mrguy

9:48 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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--I suspect not. I have to figure that Yahoo will switch to using Inktomi SERPs, and a lot of people use Yahoo. --

I will real interesting to see how many Yahoo users who have come to expect the results they get from a search switch when they start getting pummeled with the inkspam serps.

If Yahoo does switch, they really need to look at tightening up the Ink algo.

rfgdxm1

9:56 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>So what? It's not a integral part of the mac os - like most of the ms software products are embedded deeply into the winos.

This is critical for many Mac users. If in their job they need to take home Office spreadsheets and such because their company uses Windows PCs, if it wasn't for the Apple version of office they'd need to get a PC.

As for people searching on msn.com, there seems to be quite a lot. I get a lot of traffic from msn.com. #3 behind Google and Yahoo. Do well on msn.com and this can translate into a lot of traffic.

albert

10:01 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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mid 50's
- and up ...

Interesting point. M$ understood from the beginning the power of an idea of "everything's easy" (in fact it was not), but many people not only that age believed the message.

The pre-installation thing: WinOS dominates now, mainly. The pre-configuration thing - look here for an example:
[webmasterworld.com ]

At the other side Google. Convincing by serving good search results. But somebody has to tell those preconfigured people that Google exists, and they have to type in G's adress ...

Imagine what happens if more and more users just take it easy and use the pre-installed stuff.

This is not about good guys and bad guys. It's about convenience, and what can be made by serving people convenience.

when they start getting pummeled with the inkspam serps

... and what if they don't realize it?

PatrickDeese

10:02 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If Yahoo does switch, they really need to look at tightening up the Ink algo.

I am sure this is precisely why they didn't immediately drop google after they acquired inktomi.

But it stands to reason that they will, otherwise why in the world would they have purchased them? To put one of Google competitors out of business?