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Directory structure of theme pyramid

Does directory depth have effects on PR?

         

fernando

3:17 pm on Apr 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm about to start rebuilding my site using the theme pyramid structure.

I'd rather create a directory structure that matches the logical structure of the pyramid, but I'm not sure if this might lower the PR of deeply nested pages (such as www.site.com/a/b/c/my_page.html).

Is there any evidence that this might hurt my PRs? Should I just dump all pages in the root directory instead?

Thanks

brotherhood of LAN

3:35 pm on Apr 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi fernando, Welcome to webmasterworld!

The physical place of a file has no bearing on your PR. It's the hyperlink structure that points towards those pages.

The best use of your directory structure is to include your keywords (theme) and to use it to make sense of all your files.

No need to lump all pages into the root folder.

You might want to check out this thread [webmasterworld.com], by ciml, one of the moderators here.

It basically covers all the things you may have in mind here.....

killroy

4:13 pm on Apr 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You should, though, note that the on-the-fly calculated toolbar PR does use directory structure for pages that it has no information on. But don't be fooled by it since that has no ralation to the ranking and/or real PR of that page. It simply reflects the PR distribution of a PERFECT pyramid hierarchy where each level would have indeed less PR then the level above.

SN

Brian

9:40 pm on Apr 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm no expert, but my advice is not to lump everything in the root. It seems so easy when you've got a small site, but in time you will end up with a totally unweildy directory out of which you can make no sense. Then you'll want to sort the files out, but you'll get the problem of losing inbound links as a result of directory changes.

As people say, the subdirectories have no effect on pagerank. There may still be a fragmentary benefit to be had from keywords as subdirectory names, but I've never really noticed it.

Marcia

9:56 pm on Apr 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Agreed, having subdirectories, even with a smaller site, give a logical space for building out the site further in the future. It's also easier to keep track of the file and graphics management for site management as the site grows, since it's easier to recognize what goes where when it's organized by keyword phrases. You also have to look at the file path of the graphics.

That's from a webmastering point of view, but I still, to this day, believe there's some advantage to using subdirectories. One thing to watch for is URLs getting too long - that's unwieldly and not always attractive. One possibility is to keep it one or two levels deep and just interconnect the right ones by use of the navigation structure itself, which is what controls the flow of PR.

killroy

1:54 am on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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well to be honest, Î left the whole structurign via files and folders long behind. And maybe so should you. files and folders are only a crutch for computers to organise things, but have no relation to real information organisation and accessibility. Nowadays I simply lump everything into one script which then sorts out where to get the data from, may it be form a sql server or from content files.

Espeically since you'll probably want to skin/templateify your content pages anyways, andif you have a large site serve them out of a db, you shouldn't have many files in the first place.
For me "directory structure" as seen in the url is simply for easy readign and writing by humans. sorth them out in a mod_rewrite or script. How, and where you pout files should have NO BEARING on your URLs (read the W3C recommendation I posted a while back). This way you'll also never have problems with moving and reorganising content sine the URLs will stay the same (for ever!).

SN

fernando

11:25 am on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Killroy, could you please elaborate on this?

Marcia

11:57 am on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>have no relation to real information organisation and accessibility.

killroy, they do have a relation to maintenance for a good number of sites, and they do have a relation to SEO, which is a significant concern for a great number of us.

Google is not the only search engine, and there can be a certain bearing on rankings with having keywords in the file path of the URL. One of the disadvantages of a data driven site can be lack of exact control over file locations and file names for SEO purposes, including the sequence/order/proximity of the keywords in the file path.

Also, while the visible anchor text is seen on the page itself, the contents of the <a href= > under the hood is read. Some of us would rather have keywords in there, as well as in the path to images.

This might not get readily linked to:
[example.com...]

These are more likely to:
[example.com...]
[example.com...]

If I'm selling stuff for men and stuff for women, that's how I want my URLs to look, if possible.

It's for users, too. There's a recognition factor if people look at a URL that matches what they're looking for.

killroy

12:53 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Marcia, you misunderstand me. I'm note refering to URLs, I'm refering to the physical organisation on the server. Just because we traditionally operate with files and folders and hte server in iots default configuration translates URLs to files and folders, does NOT MEAN that files and folders have a natural relation to URLs.

Even worse are URLs that tell the server what technology to use (script, querystring, variable-value pairs). In my opinion (and those of the W3C) those should be deprecated.

Your URLs should STRICTLY represent the resource. Don't make te visitor tell your server HOW to get the information, jsut what information they want.

So URLS should always be in the form of:
domain.tld/category/sub-category/contentlabel

no extensions, your server should know what type each info is) and no script related fluff, all unnecessary.

And of course this labeling provides the most efficient space for placing your keywords not only in a SEO friendly manner but also human friendly. Which is really what the W3C and Google want.

Does this make more sense?

SN

PS: Sticky me if you want a sample of what I'm talking about...

killroy

12:56 pm on Apr 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Erm to elaborate, Marcia, I absolutely agree with the part of your post relating to dynamic URLs, and you agreed with me, I jsut wasn't very clear in the post further up, sorry.

SN