Cloaked sites banned

[nalf]

Hi,
Looking at my sites I can see about 20 sites (each site on separate domain) not indexed in Google anymore.
My first idea is a ban.
Sites were all cloaked. Normal users were redirected on a "white" site with fake affiliate id. I used this strategy to fully protect the existing white site.
Content for spiders is created using home made program.

I am trying to figure out why they banned those specific sites and not all of them.
Sites were all on same shared ip except 1. I have others sites on this ip and they are still in G.

Some sites were running fine since 2 months. Other since few days only.

WHOIS info is the same for every domains.

Absolutly NO interlink.

Could someone please help me try to understand?
Feel free to ask for more details.
Thank you very much!

PS: I don't want to know if what I do is right or wrong...

[nalf]

Some interesting facts...

PR of banned sites is now 0. (no gray bar)
One of those sites had PR 6.

Google is still spidering some banned sites.
Some may think this is a datacenter glitch but I don't think so...I had the same experience with one site last year and even if the site is still NOT indexed (1 year after!) G keeps coming and DEEP crawl.

Weird behavior!

[robotsdobetter]

They may have found that you Cloaked your sites and banned you for that, Google says that they have ways to detect cloaking. Do you use anything else that Google considers to be Spam?

[nalf]

Nothing else.
I would like to know why they banned some sites and why not the others?
They all share the same ip, same WHOIS, same TLD.
And why G is still crawling those sites?
Maybe the BAN status take time to propagate to all spiders? Any idea?

[robotsdobetter]

Even if your Web site is banned Google will still visit your web site most of the time. Google just hasn't found that the sites are using cloaking yet. Many web sites are hosted with the same server and IP, so that would be hard for Google to know for sure that all the sites are conected and Google likely don't look at WHOIS.

[nalf]

Didn't think G was actively looking for cloaked sites. :(

[volatilegx]

Someone may have reported you.

[nalf]

I think that is what happenned.

I had one site which was running fine since May 2004. If G was constantly looking for cloaked site why wait almost 1 year before ban?
Yearly scheduled batch to detect cloaked sites? I don't think so!

This must be people reported some sites and the number of complaints trigger human inspections.

Do you have cloaked sites running since a couple of years/months?

If yes then it should means that G is not looking after cloaked domains...

[volatilegx]

> Do you have cloaked sites running since a couple of years/months?

Yes, I have several.

[henrik80]

Interesting. I Thought cloacing was dead. How is the site and keywords positioned?

[WebEqualizer]

cloaking ain't a bad idea if you want a few quick bucks, i use free webhosting so i create a new one like every week in case one gets banned, i got other ones running ;) replacing its place.

[kellyandsummer]

Do any of you use some of the professional cloaking softwares out there? If so, have you found a cheap or free host that provides all of the necessary requirements to run the software? I've used <snip> for $8/month, but looking for cheaper or free for throwaway domains.

[edited by: volatilegx at 6:10 pm (utc) on May 13, 2005]
[edit reason] no specifics, please [/edit]

[artdog]

Here's what I don't understand, how do you get links and rank a cloaked page on a free host? Who would link to you?

Say you buy links, a new sub domain on a free host has to wait at least x months to begin ranking, where's the quick buck?

What am I missing here?

[nippi]

by cloaking your site, you can fake pr, then sell links

[volatilegx]

> by cloaking your site, you can fake pr, then sell links

? News to me. How on earth do you fake PR?

[bcolflesh]

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[arran]

How on earth do you fake PR?

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[artdog]

I've got better things to do with my time.

[volatilegx]

LOL, that won't get you anywhere!

[voices]

Fake PR and sell links = Fraud

[reg107]

show me a fake pr then.. it's all over now

[vabtz]

How different was your cloaked content versus the content you gave your visitors?