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Quick Question about Cloaking

         

GuitarZan

4:53 pm on Dec 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hey,

I do not plan to start cloaking webpages right away, as I want to get some sites ranking with just normal SEO to begin with.

My main question is this:

A few posts down Ogletree basically said that if you can't rank without cloaking, you won't rank with cloaking. Is this because the only thing cloaking can do is optimize on page factors, and because off page factors like links and anchor text are the most important things, than on page factors and cloaking don't pull as much weight?

I hear people on here all the time saying how cloaking works very well... But for what? Obviously people are making very good money using it. I heard that the top 3 spots for very competitive terms are usually cloaked... There must be some sort of advantage there.

Thoughts?

C.K.

volatilegx

5:42 pm on Dec 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The advantage is defensive. Your competitors won't be able to reverse-engineer your pages and copy/outdo your optimization techniques.

Also, many of the commercial cloaking packages allow you to easily create hundreds of doorway pages.

GuitarZan

8:22 pm on Dec 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hey,

Ok, Thanks. What is a doorway page in simple terms, and what are the advantages to having hundreds of them?

C.K.

volatilegx

11:26 pm on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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A doorway page is a web page designed specifically to get a good ranking in a search engine for a particular word or phrase.

Since doorway pages are designed for a particular word or phrase, and most webmasters want good rankings for a whole range of words or phrases, to use the doorway page technique it makes sense to have a lot of doorway pages, each optimized for its own phrase.

GuitarZan

4:36 am on Jan 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hey,

Ok I kinda figured that after reading a little more on other sites. I guess these doorway pages would need to be after lower competition terms, as onpage factors can only affect things so much.

Thoughts?

C.K.

icedout

6:40 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think the point was that, you will still need to poing links to that site and to the doorway pages, it won't work just through pure cloaking.

With that said...How do you get links to a cloaked site? You wouldn't want to use a domain you care about since you may get banned for linking to that site. If you buy links is there a chance of the site where you are placing you link getting in trouble, since they would be linking to a cloaked site?

volatilegx

2:27 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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> How do you get links...

There's a whole dark art to getting links. Certain blogs are nice, certain guestbooks... Some folks set up whole domains with original content solely for this purpose. If you lose a domain, new domains are cheap.

Doorway pages are just one example of a whole slew of techniques used in SEO.

Just for the record though, I have plenty of doorway pages (cloaked and uncloaked) that do just fine with no incoming links.

nuevojefe

1:24 am on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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with no incoming links.

No "External" inbounds, correct?

volatilegx

7:13 pm on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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> No "External" inbounds, correct?

You are correct, sir. Internal links only.

nuevojefe

9:24 pm on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Also, to add to Volatilegx's "> How do you get links... " response:

Just because a site is cloaked doesn't make it much different to get links to. Set up a link directory or use most any of the preferred methods. You just may have to get a little creative to relay some sense of quality to those you're proposing exchanges with.

chrisgarrett

10:41 am on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If you have no IBLs are you talking hundreds, thousands or millions of pages with internal links to get decent rankings?

volatilegx

4:04 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Tens on each domain. Many domains, not cross-linked.