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How can I tell a ranking is from a cloaked page

How can I tell a ranking is from a cloaked page

     

seostud

6:19 pm on May 18, 2001 (gmt 0)



Is there anyway that I tell that certain rankings use a cloaked page or not or is this impossible?

agerhart

6:22 pm on May 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I am going to have to suggest that you ask one of these guys,

http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum24/210.htm [webmasterworld.com]

and if they don't know I know AIR will.....he is Mr. Cloaking.

-A Gerhart

seth_wilde

6:28 pm on May 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Things to check -
google's cache
AV Babel fish translation

Things to lookout for -
page title/description in listings vs page source
file size differences

agerhart

6:32 pm on May 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>>>>AV Babel fish translation

Would you mind explaining this to me......don't know what this means.

Drastic

6:46 pm on May 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

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agerhart,

[world.altavista.com...]

Use the website function.

agerhart

6:53 pm on May 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

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thanks Drastic, seems to be a nifty little tool.

seth_wilde

7:13 pm on May 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

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"explaining this to me"

You'll want to do something like a spanish to english translation (even though the page is already in english). Babel fish uses an AV IP which allows you to uncover sloppy cloakers (this won't work on good cloakers).

Air

7:54 pm on May 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Most of the cloak breaking tricks really depend on the script or the cloaker to be sloppy, if they take all precautions then you can't really tell or break through.

The only other way is to use an IP spoofing technique, but this involves a denial of service attack against the machine you want to take the IP of, not easily accomplished since you also have to guess correctly what the TCP/IP packet sequence will be and have infiltrated the network that machine is on.

The easiest way is to get a job at one of the search engines :)

Brett_Tabke

6:45 am on May 19, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Or find a search engine with an open proxy server...

jeremy goodrich

11:16 pm on May 20, 2001 (gmt 0)

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BT, care to share if that one's ever happened? Or currently happening? :) Might allow for some fun possibilities...;)

seostud

1:37 pm on May 22, 2001 (gmt 0)



How do you check the Google cache? From a ranking?

seth_wilde

3:20 pm on May 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

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"How do you check the Google cache? From a ranking?"

You just compare the cached copy to the live copy (this is another way to catch sloppy cloakers). You can also use googles cache to give you an idea of who's cloaking, more often than not if someone uses the 'no cache' tag they're cloaking.

For instance: If you look at these serps [google.com] you'll see that the spiegel-catalog.com listing is not allowing google to cache them. If you then run that listing through AV's babel fish you'll find out that they are indeed sloppy cloakers...

seostud

5:00 pm on May 22, 2001 (gmt 0)



yes you are right. Thanks for the help guys! As far as the sloppy cloaking is concerned...what kind of rules do you follow for good cloaking.

Friday

9:14 pm on Feb 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I found this script in the head of a Babel Fish translated page:

PHP and Perl I know. JS I'm a little weak on.

What's up with this script?
-------->
<HTML>
<!-- BabelFish added base tag --><base href="http://www.foo.com/">
<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
<!--
var babelOrigUrl="http://www.foo.com/"; if ((null == parent) ¦¦ (null == parent.BabelFishAdd) ¦¦ ('TF' != parent.BabelFishAdd.babelTF)) { var i = new Image(); i.src =
'http://babel.altavista.com/aftu' }
//-->
</SCRIPT>

Friday

2:10 am on Feb 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Of course, it's much easier just to add the IP: 209.73.164.50 to your "cloak buster" database.

For example:
<?
function feed_spider($ipaddress)
{
$cloak_buster = "^209.73.164.50";
$inktomi="^xxx.xx.xx.x^XXX.X.XX.XXX";
ereg_replace (" ", "", $ipaddress);
if(preg_match ("/$cloak_buster/i", "$ipaddress"))
{
return false;
}
elseif(preg_match ("/$inktomi/i", "$ipaddress"))
{
return "inktomi";
}
else{
return false;
}
}

 

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