Does Adsense have a competitor?

[Jon_King]

Is there a rival to Adsense? Are we to expect in the future... "Ad Wars" where we the publishers are caught in the very profitable middle for our ad space?

[John_Shaw]

I tried mrwordsmith. After about 4 days no ads have shown up. Looks like a total waste.

Is anybody doing anything with them?

[junaidkhan]

i have also tried Mrwordsmith ads do show up but i guess there is some problem with stats.

[john316]

searchfeed.com has a decent program.

[John_Shaw]

I tried mrwordsmith. After about 4 days no ads have shown up. Looks like a total waste.

Update: I corrected an error in the html (with the help of mrwordsmith person). It started working, showing ads. I ran it on one page that gets about 50 unique visitors/day.

In 8 days I made about 10 cents.

Still a total waste.

[cyberprosper]

Searchfeed is nice, but they do not pay very much. If you make 100 dollars a day with adsense, expect to make 5 bucks with searchfeed.

[pelican]

Isn't it true that if you run Google Adsense on your site that you can't run one of these other competitors mentioned in this thread or the upcoming overture program?

And could someone define that more carefully....does that mean we can't run the ads on the same page or anywhere on the site? And what if we rotate in the ads...run google one day and a competitor the next...is that against the rules?

Anyone have a definite date on the overture thing?

By the way, I absolutely love the concept of Google Adsense but like others have said here, I'm afraid of putting all my eggs in one basket...and of the dreaded Google email if someone else (outside of my control) takes a notion to sabatoge my ads.

[Jenstar]

You cannot have other ads that resemble Google AdWords on the same pages that you run AdSense. You also have to be careful using some ad networks, because they will include AdSense in their banner rotations, but many give you the option to opt-out. If you don't, and you double serve AdSense ads (display two sets of ads on the same page) you will get a warning from Google.

[cornwall]

>>Searchfeed is nice, but they do not pay very much. If you make 100 dollars a day with adsense, expect to make 5 bucks with searchfeed.

cyberprosper

Thank you for that interesting snippet, don't think I will try them them ;)

[joeldg]

Thank you for that interesting snippet, don't think I will try them them ;)

I am using them currently as a test and no, they really are not good and I would not suggest you waste your time on searchfeed at all..

You get fractions of pennies per click (i.e. .005 in some cases) which means they have gotten greedy and are trying to just get advertisers at any cost.

In addition you are shown your revenue in a very misleading manner. They show you how much you have made "them" as if that is what "you" made, then on a different and buried in the reports page there is your "revenue share" which is a fraction of that.

At this point I am looking at trying to get the amount up to the minimum check and looking for something else that is similar (for a search engine ppc style that is distibuted out to publishers and you can make at least a little bit of money on)..

[john316]

>You get fractions of pennies per click (i.e. .005 in some cases) which means they have gotten greedy and are trying to just get advertisers at any cost.

Well,their minimum bid for an advertiser is a penny, so I guess maybe they are greedy or ...maybe not.

The money gets swept into PayPal every month like clockwork.

I've never seen a penny click come through, but I guess it is possible if your target market has little value to advertisers.

[jranes]

Apparently overtures system is in place for msn.
[search.msn.com...] Look at the ads on the right, right click on one of the links and do "copy shortcut" and put it in notepad. Looks like this.

[www5.overture.com...]

May not really be content matching though, probably not.

[Jenstar]

May not really be content matching though, probably not.

Those are just the regular Overture PPC listings. If you see those on a regular content page (ie. on an article or news page) then that could be the content match in action.

[cyberprosper]

I would not run searchfeed on the same page as google ads. It is likely against their TOS. However, and this is where searchfeed could have been really good, you can put searchfeed on search results pages. If searchfeed paid worth a dime then it might have been a good thing. I was shocked at how little they paid, and after reading the posts above, I was probably looking at the total revenue, not my cut.

"Isn't it true that if you run Google Adsense on your site that you can't run one of these other competitors mentioned in this thread or the upcoming overture program? "

[daugava]

I had a single page where AdSense showed irrelevant ads, so I decided to put TCLA ads there instead. I was able to get TCLA ads pretty targetted, but they loaded very slow. And when I checked my TCLA stats for the day and found out that I made 4 cents, I yanked it out :)

Andy

[RobbieD]

Well who then is worth going with besides Google?

The best paying...

[pelican]

"You cannot have other ads that resemble Google AdWords on the same pages that you run AdSense."

I still need a clarification :-)

If you run a google adsense ad on one page of your site, do the rules allow you to run a competitor ad on ANOTHER page of you site?

I'm also wondering about the legality of excluding competitors on another website?

[Blue_Fin]

If you run a google adsense ad on one page of your site, do the rules allow you to run a competitor ad on ANOTHER page of you site?

Yes, as is indicated in the Terms & Conditions which you should read.

I'm also wondering about the legality of excluding competitors on another website?

I'm not aware of any laws which dictate whose advertisements a website (or any other business for that matter) can accept. Are you?

[pelican]

Believe me, I've read it several times and I've also noticed slight changes being made.

"You also agree not to display any other text-based or content-targeted advertisement(s) on the same Web page in connection with which an Ad Unit or any Ad is displayed."

The reason I ask is I have seen other programs refer to a webpage as a website....so I wanted absolute clarity...I have emailed Google themselves on this issue and will report back here what they tell me.

As for the legality, it just seems similar to what microsoft did...not allowing competitors....and I'm guessing eventually if this syle of advertising really takes off and more big players get involved (like overture) that we will see some legal battles...just my opinion.

[Jenstar]

They seem to have a problem only with ads that are designed to look like AdWords ads, or with ads that are content-targeted (ie. any current and future AdSense competitors that are using your content to decide what ads to show on your site).

[pelican]

I got back a long detailed email from Google...here's the most important info:

You CAN run a competitor ad on the same site just not the same page AT THE SAME TIME.

You CAN run a competitor ad on the same page AS LONG AS it doesn't show up at the same time, i.e. banner ad rotation.

Jenstar, you are right about the type of ads they are not willing to share space with.....the content driven stuff...and/or ads that are look similar to Google's adsence.....they did seem to leave themselves soem wiggle room on other text ads since I made it clear I use text ads often...but basically didn't seem to have a problem with them...

I asked about overture specifically...they basically said if it's content driven, they they can no coexist on the same page (unless you rotate them in)

They are working on a better tracking system so you can track each website separately....

[johannes]

I just made a deal with espotting.

I got rid of the "exlusivity" clause, so I can run Adsense too if I want to.

The revenue share was doubled from the original offer, and it was very easy negotiating, I only asked! They seem keen on getting more parterns b4 Adsense.

Let's see if this works in practice.

[daugava]

Espotting rules page says they require 7-8 million impressions per month.
Do you have that many or were you able to talk them into lowering the requirement?

Andy