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For our selection of over 500 large sites with tens of millions of vistors per month, total traffic from all Ask/Teoma powered properties amounts to quite a bit less than one percent.
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United States: Top 10 Parent Companies
Week ending May 24, 2004
Parent Name Unique
Microsoft 55,891 51.56 00:32:58
Time Warner 50,016 46.14 01:18:40
Yahoo! 47,664 43.97 00:44:01
Google 25,471 23.50 00:07:40
eBay 16,288 15.03 00:46:42
Ask Jeeves 12,101 11.16 00:10:40
United States Government 10,572 9.75 00:11:15
RealNetworks 8,403 7.75 00:25:49
InterActiveCorp 8,007 7.39 00:11:57
Amazon 7,935 7.32 00:09:54
...I don't give a damn if you guys buy the stock....
Who said anything about stock?
Looks like he's hyping the stock. I can just imagine what he says to others, now that he's nurtured a debate on WebmasterWorld:
"The search expert forums on the Internet are full of lively discussions of AJs latest numbers, with top SEos in awe of the tremendous growth AJ has demonstrated. Discussion threads on AJ technology go on and on over weeks, with well-known experts hotly debating the technical achievements of the AJ search technologies. It seems the demonstrated ability of the AJ management team has truly sent a shock wave through the search industry. Webmasters are scrambling to their traffic logs, comparing AJ statistics to the former lone powerhouses Yahoo and Google".
(I'm no copywriter, but I think you get the idea)
Ask Jeeves is still insignificant. No change.
One of my sites have 4,872 uniques today (so far).
17 of those people came from Jeeves. 16 of those people had Adwords / Adsense tracking codes.
what percentage is 1/4872th?
I studied lit not math, so forgive me if I am wrong, but wouldn't one expect that about 1200 of those visitors would come from AJ if they were providing 25%?
no way do they power 25% of all websearches
umm...guys... no one says they power 25% of all websearches. Nielson never said that, and Ask Jeeves never said that.
Ask Jeeves said via press release that they power about 7% of websearches (after the purchase of interactive search holdings)
Nielson said AJ has a 25% reach. This has nothing to do with percentage of websearches. This means that 1 in 4 internet users at SOME TIME searches for something on AJ or a TEOMA-powered Meta engine.
REACH does not mean TOTAL SEARCHES!
Your logs do not lie.
Neither do the Nielson/NetRatings.
They are both right!
I find it amusing that you accuse AJ of having to do anything with the "future" of search.
AJ is like the elephant man in the freak show of dot com bust survivors - it makes just enough money to justify it staying online, but eventually someone is going to put it of its mercy and pull the plug.
Without the pool of Google advertisers, Ask Jeeves is dead on arrival.
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[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 3:19 pm (utc) on June 21, 2004]
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I believe Teoma has more relevant results than Google...
If Google results were so bad, nobody would be clicking on the Ask Jeeves ads that precede the Teoma results. If Google was inferior, Ask Jeeves would be back in the toilet doing the dot com spiral.
It is the Google ads that are sustaining Teoma. Most people (according to our logs) are not clicking on Teoma's results.
Think about it.
btw, I'm a fan of Ask Jeeves' approach. However, this thread is not about Ask Jeeves' technology, it's about their hype.
Google seems to have more balanced results.
Anyhow, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't necessarily mean antagonism.
I might also mention that your original post was that "Teoma powers 25% of all web searches" - not that it might power 25% by 2011 or whatever.
Teoma/AJ won't live to 2011 without some real traffic, which it has yet to produce, despite their glowing press releases.
You beat me to it.... teaches me for taking a lazy sunday off!
Who else thinks that G could put up the equivalent of Teoma technology in a heartbeat if there was good enough reason to do it? Why put up technoogy that only 7% of searchers use? I don't see much IP buried in there.
To accuse the posters here of not being foward thoughful is amazing.... if you're willing to listen, you can get immediate insight out of this board that you can't find elsewhere, andit comes from those poster's foresight, knowledge, and experience. You won't always here what you want to hear, though ;-)
I would be surprised if AJ does not have a larger than 25% market REACH, especially with all of the money they have put into marketing. According to Looksmart they have over 70% market reach though the market share is less than 1% I would assume. That said, looking at the thread starters post history tells a story.
25% market reach isn't particularly hard and given the syndication that AJ has, I'm sure it's quite possible.
Unfortunately, reach does not equate traffic, just mind-share. While it may convince people to buy stock, it's not going to generate conversions or sales for anyone around here.
I thought it was more like 45%? I have stopped even optimising sites for G and Y! - it's all about Teoma/ASK baby! Everywhere I go all I here is a buzz about how great teoma.com is. Nearly 80% of my friends have dropped Google for Teoma.
Not really unexpected from Ask Jeeves. I recently removed an Ask toolbar from a friend's computer that he never installed. Turned out, it was distributed through a spyware.
Anybody knows if Ask distributes itself through adult popups yet? Maybe they got the 25% after double counting of the garbage traffic? Who knows, there is huge adult Chinese traffic maybe they are all over it, we over here would not see it.
All my sites are well positioned in Ask, but the traffic is under 1%. As to the other Ask web properties, I don't think there are any real Excite users left anywhere, save for a few hundred remaining free email users
If only so many entities can lay claim to POWER, what of the rest?
"We were along for the ride on 25% of web searches?"
Total referrals? 55.
Total conversions? 0.
Same Time frame:
Total referrals? 255,128
Total conversions? 2725
255,128 vs 55? lol - I think it is time to put this thing on the robots.txt ban list.
> The level of antagonism on this board
Get a clue - the folks in the trenches at Teoma are great friends of the board and we have supported them and given them air time strongly when no one else has.