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hurlimann

11:13 pm on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Major changes to their serps.
Can't see a pattern yet but not much new in and many top results have very little text. Links/authority's etc have little bearing whatever their PR may say.
Maybe just an algo tweak update?

rfgdxm1

11:56 pm on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I currently hold the #1 spot over the trademark of a pharmaceutical on both Teoma and Askjeeves. While I get tons of hits on this search term from Google and msn.com, hits from Teoma are near non-existent, and Askjeeves rather rare. Neither search engine seems to get a lot of use.

biggles

3:38 am on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I currently hold the #1 spot over the trademark of a pharmaceutical on both Teoma and Askjeeves. While I get tons of hits on this search term from Google and msn.com, hits from Teoma are near non-existent, and Askjeeves rather rare. Neither search engine seems to get a lot of use.

Have to agree with you. Have top positions in Teoma and see minimal traffic compared to Google, MSN etc. Seriously doing a re-think about its worth as a paid inclusion engine. So much for Teoma planning to take on Google. Who really uses it?

garry

3:46 am on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I just wish Google & Teoma used the same algos & then I would be happy

biggles

9:06 am on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, wouldn't that be great.

Brad

11:32 am on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the heads up on the update.

I have one site that is now getting 5% of its SE traffic from AskJeeves with the occasional stray hit from Teoma. On that site AJ is beating FAST/ATW. And its growing. :)

AJ is gaining a market with popular subjects and end consumers. In my case on popular movie topics.

rfgdxm1

1:19 pm on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>I have one site that is now getting 5% of its SE traffic from AskJeeves with the occasional stray hit from Teoma.

From my logs, clearly Askjeeves has a LOT more users than Teoma. Nowever, these 2 combined are nowhere close to Google or msn.com in popularity.

Brad

1:37 pm on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>these 2 combined are nowhere close to Google or msn.com in popularity

Very true rfgdxm1, but AJ actually seems to be gaining popularity while all the others are loosing market share to Google. That bears watching.

nell

2:38 pm on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The news compares to Pee Wee Herman updating his wardrobe. Of absolutely no consequense to anyone but Pee Wee.

We have some 470+ pages ranked #1-5 in Teoma and experience less business than would a rat exterminator in India.

edit_g

3:14 pm on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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LOL nell. I'll second that.

All the keywords we targeted on Google have been picked up by Teoma with much less effort than it took us on Google. If we had the same placement on Google as we do on Teoma I would be headhunted from here to Australia.

PS- AJ can bring in some great traffic- if you are selected as their chosen link for a particular keyword. But then I wonder if some AJ users are able to even use the online ordering form- where else is one of the most popular searches "where can I find www.example.com?"

makemetop

3:22 pm on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)



Like everything, it depends on your market. I get hundreds of referrals from AJ through Teoma listings on travel and hotel related sites daily. On one site, 20% of all referrals come from AJ/Teoma.

On b2b sites though, forget it!

chowcat

11:04 pm on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)



I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but the SERPS for both TEOMA and INK seem to be as much as possible showing similar results as Google, i.e. roughly the same results, but they're are failing to keep out the "spammy" looking "web ring" sites, hence the first few pages of results on both engines are full of well...spam, allbeit relevantish spam.

Anyone else noticed this??

AAnnAArchy

11:23 pm on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I don't know, in the categories where I've compared Google & Teoma, Google has more spammy no-content-redirect-to-full-page-ad sites than Teoma. Oh how I wish Teoma were more popular. <sigh>

AAnn

NeoN

4:33 am on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Is that possible to make Teoma show 100 results per page??????
Hard to check positions :)

Thank you!

rfgdxm1

5:39 am on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>Very true rfgdxm1, but AJ actually seems to be gaining popularity while all the others are loosing market share to Google. That bears watching.

They've got a LONG way to go. However, that they aren't losing ground does suggest their is still signs of hope.

caine

10:50 am on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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A very interesting and commendable update, though my keyterms, as a whole are doing better.

Certainly on top key terms, there is a lot of similarities between the results Teoma presents and that of G SERPS. Furthermore, unlike the grouping of two site urls by Google for a relevant term if enough related pages are available, The algo, ranks in a similar fashion to ATW.com, in which results from a site regarding relevancy of pages to the keyterm, associated by the algo are distributed across the SERPs.

How the algo is determining relevance and its SERPs for pages, is most definetly getting better, and if they can keep up the momentum creating more relevant algo's, then i think some of the big SE's, better watch their backs.

Nice to see a little competition, certainly on the relevancy scales

Brad

11:01 am on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Did they increase the size of the DB significantly?

luma

12:38 pm on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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They still don't display special characters, e.g., German umlauts (ü,ö,ä,ß); all you get is a question mark, e.g., M?ller instead of Möller or Müller, even if umlauts were encoded, e.g., &uuml;

They also changed the search interface. It was like this:

http://s.teoma.com/search.asp?t=searchterm

And now it's
http://s.teoma.com/search?q=searchterm

Had to change the search.ini I use with Opera.

And they still use IIS 5.0. Anyone gonna buy them an Apache? ;)

Brad

11:19 pm on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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luma,

Thank you very much for that information. Your remark got me seriously looking around Brett's Opera site for the how-to info. I've now added Teoma to Opera search. I have been wanting to do that for a long time but didn't know it was possible. Cheers. :)

Beachboy

12:30 am on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I assure you, even we rat exterminators in India aren't getting much business from Teoma, either. I wonder whether AJ is ever going to learn how to properly market a search engine. They messed up with Direct Hit, and now they are messing up with Teoma. AJ needs to fire the head of marketing.

thunderpaste

7:01 am on Sep 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I feel that the quality of AJ's results have improved greatly from my view. Still, not much traffic but at least they are improving the quality of their database. Should help them in the long run.

Crazy_Fool

9:02 am on Sep 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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i'm getting the odd referral from AJ uk for a site listed in 3rd place in teoma, but AJ.com still uses directhit so getting absolutely zilch there. i just wish they'd get things sorted out to use teoma on AJ.com

rfgdxm1

3:19 am on Sep 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The quality of AJ/Teoma is definitely getting better. One issue I still see is improving freshness.

gsmitchell

4:17 pm on Sep 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I am in the top 3 for several keywords for AJ and Teoma and get almost no traffic. I am in the top 10 for these same keywords for Google and MSN and get a ton of traffic. I have to say I am not impressed with AJ or Teoma

chowcat

12:04 pm on Sep 6, 2002 (gmt 0)



I've had the AJ and T spider crawling around my site for months, well at least two months and I am still no where to be seen in the SERPS. So I have 3 words for the guys over there.... dribble dribble dribble.

Until the next update, by which point computers will probably no longer be in use. :)

Brad

12:50 pm on Sep 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>So I have 3 words for the guys over there.... dribble dribble dribble.

Seems like AJ fed by Teoma is doing fairly well considering that Teoma only came out of beta 6 - 9 months ago.

Short of a major (and expensive) television advertising campaign no new search engine is going to gain an instant market share. It takes time to grow. They must be doing something right.

 

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