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Teoma's algorithm

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6:39 pm on May 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I am not impressed with Teoma's algorithm. The serp for my most important Maui keyword includes 3 Kauai websites, 1 Oahu website, 1 Real Estate website, and 1 Computer Services website. None of these websites have the word 'maui' in their desription or title and yes, the word features somewhere in their site but the sites are NOT relevant to the keyword. There are also 2 doorway pages to the same site on the first page.

Of course, I am particularly unimpressed because they are all higher up than my site, which is at page 4!(despite being highly relevant, optimized for that particular keyword phrase and well-linked).

I don't know what is going on but my site was on page 1 to begin with but then it kept slipping. I paid for submission because I thought it must be slipping because it wasn't getting refreshed, but it slipped further!

I wrote to Teoma twice about this but they never replied. I am NOT impressed with this company and I will not be re-subscribing unless things improve - customer service and algorithm.

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Aloha

We rank well on Teoma for our primary kw phrase, but see a total lack of traffic.....

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namniboose,
I am facing the same problem...actually i really tried hard to understand Teoma's algo...but can't kind of figure it out...

Is there something specific they are looking for...

Can somebody give me a light on their new algo!!!

Thanks in advance

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>>Can somebody give me a light on their new algo<<

Maybe GoogleGuy could jump in here. ;)

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I don't understand it either.
It seems to return different results if it's a key phrase entry or if you select the "refine search" option.

Different results each time.

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Tip #1 : Remove Credit Card from Wallet.
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'Tip #1 : Remove Credit Card from Wallet'

Greasing palms didn't help me none!

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I think the Teoma algo is good - are you focussed in your linking strategy? I think this plays a major part in ranking well on Teoma.
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My site is very-well linked, which is why we do well on Google.

I've seen numerous cases where Teoma seems to focus on links without paying any heed to title and description, resulting in irrelevant sites.

How can that be good?!

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namniboose, well linked for Google and well linked for Teoma may be different things. Google does not seem to have any theming of inbound links in place yet, I believe Teoma does.

e.g. You have a site on widget manufacture

with links from a software company at PR8 you will do well with optimised pages for Title and description etc in Google.

in Teoma this link will probably be of little value - if not ignored completely

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Hi Ian,

I'm not sure what you are saying:

A widget site with links from a highly-ranked software company will do well on Google for software keywords if it has title and description optimized for software?

I understand that with Teoma, sites linked to 'communities' of websites similar to their own do well? Well, my site should still do well with that algorithm.

Or maybe I am misunderstanding something?

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doesn't seem like you are misunderstanding anything. Looks like you will need to look at the situation in more detail
11:29 pm on May 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ian is on the mark, regarding the linking strategies required for Teoma. Nothing like google.

Teoma, uses a community based theme-site to site linking algo, in which site's that have relevant content to highly ranked related site's, are valued as part of a community. Hence will be attributed by said community (worked out by teoma's algo) to be of x-value to the community, and rank is given, the more high ranking on topic related in's-out's-cross links the better.

Hence link farms, completely unrelated site's will probably hurt your rank for the real intent of the site, with teoma.

As most will know, google's algo has a flaw, regarding very high value incoming links, they could be about anything but your site's content, however still play an extremely important role in the PR of the site.

Teoma, has maybe tracked this and watched google evolve (i'm guessing), and may have seen this problem years ago when the original engine was being developed at Rutger Uni. Combating it by using a sort of mind map, in which a site for a certain amount of key terms, means that it is in a community with other site's with the same, if not similar key terms. Hence the site that has the most links from the related resources in that community, will assuming that the site, satisfies the other criteria's hit the top.

If one can identify the community, that a site will be denoted by teoma, as belonging too, then one can theme the site to be a pivotal point of the community and become its centre.

Namniboose,

watch anything spammy with Teoma, their spam detectors are ament to be on at full wack, sniffing for anything that looks, doggy. Best way to view it is like trying to take narcotics, through a line of highly trained police dogs > don't do it.

Pay-for-Inclusion, according to Ask Jeeves, will not help ranking, its just a sure fire way of getting in the crawl pattern, within a certain amount of time, don't mean you can't go up and down like a yo-yo.

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Thanks Caine for that clarification - that's pretty much how I thought it worked.

The computer company in question hosts a lot of Maui sites, so it is obviously part of the 'community of sites' for 'maui vacation rentals' because of how it is linked.

It used to be on page 1 until I pointed it out to Teoma - it's still ranked above my site, however!

There's no mention of 'maui' or 'vacation rentals' in the title or description so, I maintain, Teoma's algorithm is flawed if it doesn't take into account title and description at all.

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namniboose,

try content, theme structure, related in-out-cross links, and about another 100+ possible factors, and title and description will be one of the multitude of factors that are addressed by teoma's algo.

Hence they just are'nt that important if the site's other factors are converging upon the keyterms.

the best of both worlds, is to have all possible factors, working towards the keyterms.

hope this clears it up for you a little.

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Hi Caine, it still doesn't explain to me why a computer company got ranked higher than mine for a travel keyword phrase! (unless there's a big flaw)
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I just want someone to agree with me that it is FLAWED!! ;)
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Well, it seems fairly simple to me.

If the SERP shows irrelevant sites then the algo is flawed.
(that Ok, Namniboose?:))

All the rest of the discussion is helpful information explaining exactly how the flaw has interfered in this case.

Any web design or service industry site that has built a link popularity campaign using its customer base will trigger this flaw if their customer base has a specific theme, in this case regional.

I think the algo needs adjusting to pay more attention to on site factors.

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The power of Teoma is in those 'related links'. I find that I type half as much at Teoma. It's much easier to find what I'm after there, than at other se's. A other se's, it is a contant process of refinement. With Teoma, that refinement is as simple as a click under the refine links.

I just hope they can muscle the resources to expand the db about 10 fold.

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>I just want someone to agree with me that it is FLAWED!!

Yep, flawed as can be!

(still wants that Maui rental discount someday)

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> I just hope they can muscle the resources to expand the db about 10 fold.

Unlikely, when they have limited themselves so heavily by trying to sell inclusion, when inclusion is actually more vital to them than to anyone paying for a listing.

If Google had charged PFI they would never have gotten so big (and so good) and I think the new owners of Teoma should have tempered their greed to realise that.

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Black Knight - you're not wrong!
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It was a while back, but I believe I've seen the site namniboose is talking about. I couldn't find anything dodgy they did. They've got a SLEW of sites they've developed with that theme, all plain as day all about that, and they all link to them. So they're actually right in the middle of a community there, and I can't even recall any thing spectacular done with the way any of the linking was done. It's just sheer volume, with the company developing for that niche. If I remember correctly - I do remember noticing that at the time. It seemed the themes of the sites linking to that one had a great bearing.
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You're right Marcia, they haven't done anything dodgy.

They do have 'maui vacation rentals' in their meta keywords, however. I don't know why, because someone looking for a maui vacation rental won't find their site relevant!

 

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