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Maybe it is not that DMOZ is broken as a community, it is just that it already is a community.
Right. It is not broken. I'm sorry if your site is unlistable, but the directory has to have standards. It is nothing personal. DMOZ is a pure meritocracy with regard to what is listed and who is promoted within the organization. The DMOZ-hating is often from people who can't fathom meritocracy, so they have to make excuses for their own failures.
I'm sorry if your site is unlistable, but the directory has to have standards. It is nothing personal.Unfortunately, you are mistaken. This was nothing but personal. Perhaps this timeline will help you understand.
I think it may have been personal. But this thread is only about the first two events on the timeline. New editors are often treated in a condescending manor at <snip>, other forums across the web, and even here. Many have posted they are even scared to post on the public forum for that same reason. These people don't call it a community, they call it things like clique, old boys club, etc. My point is that while there are procedures and infrastructure in place to make people feel welcome, in many cases they are just not working. I am certain that in many more cases it is working, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be concerned about it.
but the directory has to have standards.I can unequivocally say the quality of the cats I have recently edited for JoeAnt surpasses the quality of the corresponding dmoz categories (when they exist). And I had more fun doing it.
Anyway, for what it's worth, most new editors don't have the same, er, experience you did. I'm a new editor this year and have never felt like anyone wanted me to keep my big yap shut; in fact, I've been chatting merrily away all over the Internet, and no one's taken me out behind the woodshed. None of the other new editors I've been talking to have felt intimidated either. From what I gather it's actually kind of rare that an editor is expelled.
I'm glad that you've found a new directory to work at where you can get free ads on their homepage though. Seems like a win-win for everyone. (-:
I hate to say it but you do sound a little like my four-year-old son, PowdorkYou have a son named Powdork, now that is a coincidence. Almost as much as how often you and LizardGroupie post consecutively. Are you two the same person or do you just rent the same cranium?;)
I've been chatting merrily away all over the InternetI know. If I had a nickel for every forum where I have found "A Letter to a Friend", I'd have nearly twenty five cents by now.
None of the other new editors I've been talking to have felt intimidated either. From what I gather it's actually kind of rare that an editor is expelled.It happens often. It happened here most recently to CrimsonGirl and markymarky in the BooRadley thread. Instead of some helpful hints about how they might better login, they got "Any editor who can't login also probably can't open their own refrigerator so will starve to death soon enough."
I wasn't aware that "broken" meant "not doing what I want.It has been suggested that the ODP wants to focus on the community. From Hutcheson, also in the Boo Radley thread, "The kind of suggestions that we're looking for (and that we're always discussing in the internal forums) is how to address the SOCIAL challenges that the ODP has."
For the latter, there's the outside abuse reports to tell us what we didn't see.
For the former, ex-editors are free to tell their tale in public--and to establish their bona-fides in other projects, to tell us what we might have seen that wasn't there.
If we didn't see anything of either kind, we'd know that either the community was perfect, or our information channels were imperfect. Having feedback from both gives us the information we need to continue our balancing act.
From what I gather it's actually kind of rare that an editor is expelled.
Actually, removal of editors is a sign that the social mechanism for protecting the ODP from abusive editors is FUNCTIONING (of course, not necessarily correctly--we could be using a lottery--and of course, not necessarily comprehensively--we could be missing a lot of abuse.)
And for the record, I have always found both flicker and hutcheson to be very supportive and informative in all the forums in which I have seen them post.
It seems like your reasoning is "Something is broken at the ODP because they didn't let me list my site the way I wanted and they fired me as an editor." Why would that imply anything was broken at ALL, much less in the ODP? Seems to me like the likeliest thing is that you and the ODP just weren't very compatible. You're happier at JoeAnt, who lets you put free ads for your site on their homepage. Well, great! The Internet's a big place, and there's room for more than one directory in it. Are we supposed to be getting the impression that this is a -bad- thing?
ps If you're actually suspicious about my identity, as opposed to just trolling, you can just go look me up on DMOZ. Same handle. First-year editor. No foolin'. (-:
Either way, though, I don't see the point of this thread. You prefer working at JoeAnt; I'm happy working at the ODP; two helpings of spare-time web directory work are getting done. So what's broken anywhere in that scenario? It all sounds good from here.
Powdork, when will this campaign of yours ever end?
Either way, though, I don't see the point of this thread.The point of this thread is that
2. It may just be that DMOZ is too big to not have these problems, but oft times the problems are exacerbated.
3. For those disenchanted with their tenure at the Open Directory, there are other choices. JoeAnt, GoGuides, etc. These directories offer the chance to build a community rather than just join one. Additionally, they can be more rewarding.
So......lets move on to other topics besides the alleged imperfections of Dmoz which threads such as this are unlikely to positively affect.