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Gold Beer & Other Strong Lagers/Beers

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Nick_W

6:25 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Okay, so I have a look through the recesses of my jeans pockets 'cos I feel I deserve a few beers tonight. I didn't find much, some elderly fluff, my emergency pipe and 35 kroner (about £3)

The supermarket closes in 10mns from this depressing revelation.

So I bought a six pack of of the supermarkets own 'gold' beer' and guess what? It's LOVELY! ;);) Only 5.9% but what is it with alcohol content in beer?

It seems that the more alcohol, the better it tastes. But, I know from bitter experience that there is a 'cap' at around 7/9% depending on the brew. At some point it starts tasting like syrup.

Why is this?

<aside>Why, in england is the homelesses favorite brew called Tenants? Seems rather ironic....</aside>

Nick

richardb

6:35 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi N

<aside>Why, in england is the homelesses favorite brew called Tenants? Seems rather ironic....</aside>

It's obvious, after a few you don't know where your home is!

;P Rich

Enjoy

mat

6:38 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Can you get beer - as opposed to lager - in Denmark? It's all lager here, with the odd 'red beer', usually too sweet.

The list of things that I miss as an expat of some ten or more years gets smaller each year, but it will always have a pint of brown beer at the top of it.

And it's Tennents. And it's Scottish.

Macguru

6:41 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just couldn't resist this one...

Beer 'strenght' and his 'potency' are very often confused. The strenght is relative to final beverage density and the potency is relative to alchool content.

Some beer strenght is caused by unfermented stuff in it. The more unfermented stuff, the higher is final density, and generally the stronger the beer will taste.

I dislike beers that taste too much alchool, the thinner a beer is the less alchool it should contain. Pale beer with high alchool levels are cheated with dextrose (corn sugar).

I like to brew with pure malt, just like they do in Germany (by law).

Nick_W

6:41 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>And it's Scottish

That explains sooooo much. Gotta love those Scotts, they've got all the right priorities in order ;)

Nick

mat

6:48 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Oh, and it's p*ss.

Having lived in Scotland for years, where Tennents Super is not, ahem, the classiest of beers, it was odd to move to London for a while (in the booze trade) to discover that Tennents Super and Carlsberg Special Brew were considered 'designer' lagers.

Good 15 years ago, mind. Do you get Elephant and Giraffe over there, or are they export only?

mivox

6:48 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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mat: where do you live? It sounds very sad there...

Nick_W

6:51 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Elephant and Giraffe

Sure do, wouldnt drink it though.

My favorite is imported "Black Gold Carlsberg" from germany...

Nick

mat

6:52 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Italy. There are some 'pubs' - I use the term loosely - but the yoof, if they drink at all, drink red bull or some vile sugary super-alcoholic swill.

edit_g

10:29 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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In Denmark (and scandinavia in general) you're spoiled for beer: Tuborg, Ringnes, Carlsberg, Mack Ol etc. The best thing about beer in scandinavia as opposed to the UK: they serve it COLD!

coconubuck

10:32 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Try Dixie Blackened Voodoo.......It is awesome. Great taste, heavy beer - very good. Being that I am from the midwest and still new to drinking different beers from around the world, some people may disagree with me on this. I can tell you, IMHO, this beer is worth it.

Oh, I like Belhaven too....its like the Milk of beers. Yum!

macrost

10:53 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ahhhh, to only live in any of those countries with that much of a selection! Here in the states, it's hard to find good imports. Coconubuck, let's go for a Bellhaven tomorrow night!
Mac

coconubuck

11:03 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Now you're talking Macrost! Belhaven it is! I am interested in beers from Scotland...anyone know of any that they would recommend?

mivox

11:29 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Here in the states, it's hard to find good imports.

Not in the northwest... In Fairbanks, we have imports from all over Europe and the UK, and microbrews from all over the Pacific Northwest, all in the local grocery store.

Between that and my homebrew, life is good. :)

lawman

12:27 am on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Mivox, how about sending me some of that stuff you brew up in your bathtub.

edit_g

12:31 am on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Between that and my homebrew, life is good.

My ex-girlfriend's father brews apple champagne cider - one of the most potent and refreshing drinks I've ever had. There's nothing like drinking champagne cider made with apples that you picked yourself.

mivox

12:47 am on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Mivox, how about sending me some of that stuff you brew up in your bathtub.

(Bathroom closet, not bathtub!) Business slow lately? hehehe...

Actually, I've just inadvertently turned out a low enough alcohol content hefeweisen that even a Light Beer drinker like you might be able to handle it. ;) It's the shipping laws I might have a problem with.

Nick_W

7:26 am on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Mivox's homebrew = A WebmasterWorld Legend.

hehehe, well I fell asleep in front of the telly but it was most enjoyable ;) -- Off to my father-in-laws this weekend, he'll have lots of Danish beer imported from Germany.

Yes, it's weird. The german laws are very strict though on how beer is brewed and it really makes a difference...

Nick

Skylo

9:35 am on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well Nick_W thats why the german brew is the best. My favourite beer in the world being Becks. I cannot get enough of it! 2nd I would rank Guinness Ice Cold. I was in the UK recently and we do not have that kind in hot South Africa. Would come in bloody handy down here!

Funnily enough, did you know that a lot of germans live in our neighbouring country Namibia. They started moving there for the diamonds at about the turn of the century, and started breweries there too that rival theie german counterparts indefinatly. If you guys can ever get your hands on a "Windhoek" you will be so lucky to enjoy that golden brew.

Ahhh.....living in south africa......you guys get to have broadband and we get really good quality beer. Lifes funny that way;-)

Nick_W

9:45 am on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Becks

Agree wholeheartedly! Here's my favorites in order

  1. Becks
  2. Carlsberg Black Gold
  3. Grolsch
  4. Stella Artois
  5. Carls Special
When in london, Stella for most occasions but if I'm flush for cash, Becks in a bottle every time ;)

Nick

Macguru

10:29 am on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Extract translated from the Reinheitsgebot or GERMANY'S PURITY LAW adopted in 1516

Furthermore, we wish to emphasize that in future in all cities, markets and in the country, the only ingredients used for the brewing of beer must be Barley, Hops and Water. Whosoever knowingly disregards or transgresses upon this ordinance, shall be punished by the Court authorities' confiscating such barrels of beer, without fail.

(OOps they forgot the yeast! ;) )

This bans the use of dextrose or any other form of sugar to boost alchool level, good. Most industrial beers around use dextrose so they can get around 5 % of achool for half the price in half the time.

Lets not focus too much on the 'pure' beer argument for now, because beer with other ingredients can not only be just as pure, but also taste just as good, even better. Plus, any industrial brewery can brew bland rubbish either within or without the constraints of the Reinheitsgebot. I wish the Reinheitsgebot only banned the use of added sugars.

The law is too restrictive on the ingredients and needs an update regarding certain methods. Other factors which are truly crucial to the taste of a beer: the quality of the ingredients, lagering times, pasteurisation, filtration and carbonation. Some dubious techniques where introduced since 1506... You will never convince me that a filtered, pasteurised beer, carbonated the same way they do for Pepsi, and 'aged' for a week in the cellar is a 'pure' beer, solely because only barley malt is in the grist.

A lot of other ingredients can also make a great brew.

For instance : wheat, rice are oats can be used instead or mixed with barley to obtain different beers, nonetheless 'pure'. There will be no such thing as a German Carling, Blanche or Stout.

I am not metionning apples, lemons, raisins and even bananas that can be added to the boiling worth to obtain sublte aromas.

As long it doesn't have anything harmful in it, brewers should be allowed to use whatever ingredients they wish. Poor quality beer is usually obtained because some brewers cut corners in order to lower production costs, even in Germany!

My weakest home brew take 3 full months to produce. I call it my 'summer beer'. It's a 3 % of alchool pale ale with lots of hops in it for better thirst quenching astringency.
My triple fermented Cristmass beer is the strongest of them all with a final density of 1,020 to 1,022. It ferments for 3 months and ages for a whole year before it can be served.

You will never make me believe that stuff hitting the shelves 2 weeks after the maltage can be called a beer.

Cheers!

glengara

10:42 am on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's Spaten for me!
Mind you, some of those Czech ones are pretty good.

georgeek

11:06 am on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There is only one commercial bottled beer available in the UK that is not produced by marketing suits and postgraduate chemists and that is Worthington's White Shield (5.6%abv) which is a 'live' beer. Quite a few of the smaller breweries try to bottle their nectar but you can't beat 'live' beer in my opinion. I drank 'Tongham TEA' at the Hogs Back Brewery once - it spoils you for the rest of your life and makes you realise that any beer advertised on TV really is from gnats.

Hagstrom

11:16 am on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Off to my father-in-laws this weekend, he'll have lots of Danish beer imported from Germany.
Yes, it's weird. The german laws are very strict though on how beer is brewed and it really makes a difference...

Did you know that Carlsberg changed their recipe a few years ago - skipping the maize? This was done very discreetly and the reason was that they couldn't guarantee that the maize would be GMO-free in the future.
So Carlsberg's are now all-malt beers, but somehow they managed to retain the old, bland taste.

Plus, any industrial brewery can brew bland rubbish either within or without the constraints of the Reinheitsgebot.

Exactly my point :)

4eyes

1:52 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Given the choice, I refuse to drink anything that is not still 'alive'.

IMO Anyone thinking British beer isn't amongst the best in the world is drinking in the wrong pubs. Anyone who wants to argue the point should visit Manchester. Let me know in advance and I'll happily prove the point (you buy the beer though;)).

For all those not 'into' Real Ale - it really does depend on how it is kept by the Landlord. I have a couple of Local Pubs where they brew their own on the premises - inlcuding a full range of organic Real Ales which are absolutely world class.

NOBODY drinks Stella or a Carlsberg in these pubs - although they also do a couple of Hefeweiss beers that sell OK.

Nick_W

1:58 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Real Ale

I was always a Bitter/Ale fan in England. I've lived so many years abroad though I have completely lost the taset :(

Nick

Go2

4:13 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Mind you, some of those Czech ones are pretty good.

Czech lagers are my absolute favorite. Beers like Starobrno, Pilsner Urquell, and Krusovice are great full body taste lagers, far away from the industrial brews.

Löwenbräu is a German classic which I just rediscovered this winter. A great pure lager taste.

Another great beer is the Austrian Gösser which has a nice and balanced taste.

The Danish Carlsberg Sort Guld (Black Gold) is one of the better beers in Scandinavia. Other beers in that region that are worth mentioning are the Finnish Lapin Kulta and the Norwegian Ringnes.

mivox

6:03 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You will never convince me that a filtered, pasteurised beer, carbonated the same way they do for Pepsi, and 'aged' for a week in the cellar is a 'pure' beer, solely because only barley malt is in the grist.

HEAR HEAR! :) One of my favorite microbrew companies (Deschutes Brewery in Bend, Oregon) has started bottle-conditioning their beers...

Besides a few imports (which have 'aged' before reaching Alaska by default ;) ), Deschutes beers are almost the only 'store-boughten' beers I'll buy now (There's also Alaskan Brewing's Smoked Porter, which will be available in the UK this winter, I believe. One to look for!)

4eyes:

...drinking in the wrong pubs. Anyone who wants to argue the point should visit Manchester.

Nick:
...I have completely lost the taste.

Alright Nick, that's it. I'll be in Manchester this fall. You are visitng, and 4eyes and I will fix you (as you're obviously broken!). My birthday is at the beginning of October. Book your flight now.

Go2

6:08 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Actually, I've just inadvertently turned out a low enough alcohol content hefeweisen

Hefeweisen is HUGE on on the continent. It is the current world standard of wheat beers. It is definitely a different taste when compared to lagers. Can we have some hefeweisen drinkers pitch in on this? Mivox?!

caine

6:17 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Tennants Super 8.9% whoeeoow, heavy

stick to my 4-5% i find anything above, kills my braincells, and due to a rather indulgent youth with other things than alcohol, i certainly don't want to be killing to many of them, too fast anyway.

Tonight, a good few pints of Carling or Carlsberg, used to be Stella, but that stuff gets me mulliered after about 7 pints, bed time stuff, I'd rather chill enjoy the 3-8 pint stage, a slow loss of inabitions, but not absolutely paralectic telling every women i see, of all physical shapes and ages, that she would be better spending the night in my bed. gone are the days. Well happens ocassionally, when we go out driken at 12 for the Rugby and Football on a Saturday - 12-14 hr seshies - bad hangovers.

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