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anyway imho (and I am only a fair weather football watcher.....)
JM might do an okay job. He was able to get top players $$$. It would be interesting to see if he could inspire the team to perform better than they are right now.
However Man U/Arsenal/Liverpool (Everton?) appear to have a good rapport and a nurturing ability with younger players. If Benitez was dismissed (although this might be just media hype), I think he would do a good job. He has been able to position and nurture players like Peter Crouch successfully.
Perhaps we should have some fun bets on who the FA would go for?
(Honest, I know what I am talking about. Remember wee Bertie Vogts and Scotland.) ;)
Alan Curbishley!
A don't think being a bit of a crook (alledgedly) or a bit dodgy is a problem for those fine upstanding men at the FA, if they can employ the likes of "Del Boy" Venables then I would imagine even Harold Shipman would be somewhere on the short list (if he were available) so the blessed Redknapp is relatively saint-like by comparison.
To me the "special one" is not quite as good as he thinks he is and he is untried at a level where he can't buy in talent.
Harry R, although he is not the "sexy" media-tart that Jose is has a proven record of producing winning teams from limited squads of very average players. He's done it at several teams not the least Pompey who are playing way above themselves this season.
That's the main qualification that's needed.
Foreign coaches are fine in club football where they are managing players of all nationalities.
I sort of agree, but there are many examples to the opposite. E.g., Guus Hiddink brought South Korea to the World Cup semi finales in 2002, did a nice job with Australia in 2006, and has now managed to get Russia to qualify for Euro 2008 at the expense of you-know-what-team ;)
I definitely think it has to be a proven manager at the highest level, and therefore foreign.
I doubt that an English manager will get it, none have stepped forward in fact many have ruled themselves out. Why? I guess is they are not even confident in their own abilities and do not want the intensity (most of it ridiculous) that comes with the job.
I would put money on JM on getting the job. While I am not his biggest fan, I think he could do a great job at building English Football from the grass roots.
Anyway, that is something that the FA should be fostering as I said before they are the problem - the old men and amateurs that control the game if they are replaced by people who do know the difference between the joint in the middle of their arm and the part of their body they sit on, we might start getting somewhere. Long term the choice of the next manager hardly matters.
Short term we need someone who can work wonders with sub standard players and I keep coming back to Redknap he is the only candidate with a track record.
his job will be to get some sort of result now. England managers don't last long enough to get involved in long term planning.
Surely whoever is chosen will have a little more time than most as the only thing for England to play for now is the 2010 World Cup and qualification does not start till late 2008 or is it early 2009?
At least none of the players will be able to complain they are tired, after "not" playing in Euro 2008.
Anyway, that is something that the FA should be fostering as I said before they are the problem - the old men and amateurs that control the game
Agreed. Who decides the suits in the FA anyway?
Who decides the suits in the FA anyway?
The 11 other suits on the board unfortunately.
I really can't see anyone else than Jose for the job. The dearth of possible English managers is highlighted by the calls for Shearer on a dream ticket with Stuart Pierce...errrr no thanks!
Another quote,"If we'd won the games we should have, we wouldn't have ended up putting that kind of pressure on ourselves."
Hello?
And another, ""When I look around the England squad and see the talent we have, I cannot imagine that we will not win something. A few lucky breaks at the right time wouldn't go amiss - but we can't just rely on good luck to see us through."
Isn't this attitude of superiority seen as a problem in England?
Isn't this attitude of superiority seen as a problem in England?
No - because it's the exact same attitude spouted by the tabloids and the pundits (overwhelmingly ex-players) on TV.
They keep banging on about how Lampard, Gerrard, Ferdinand, Owen, Cole etc are all world class, despite the fact that their performances in international competition has proven this not to be the case.
Isn't this attitude of superiority seen as a problem in England?
Definitely. Look at the difference between the Rugby and the Football.
The Rugby players were total right offs at the beginning of the world cup but they played with so much passion and pride, and almost won. They did well and surely made the English nation proud.
Another example of this was Argentina in the Rugby World Cup.
But as for the football, the English players imho get paid far too much money, and just do not seem to have the same kind of motivation. Always finding excuses rather than taking the blame and searching for answers.
That is why I am sure all English supporters will be hoping that this may be the kick up the backside they all need. To have to sit out the Euro 2008 finals should make them all feel disgraced.
The media in the UK is also to blame, win one game and England is the best in the world, lose and all hell breaks lose.
The media in the UK is also to blame
Ahem! Would that be the media in Engerlund? ;)
The media, and the English fans will grab any glimpse of hope. England should have beaten Brazil in the World Cup semi-final a few years back but they decided to sit back in the second half.
Just look at what happened to Sven. He did quite well (compared) to others but was torn apart by the media. The media were probably to blame for him getting the sack. But it was not long before that happened a song was sung by every English fan all about Sven Goran Ericksson.
Truth is England (apart from inventing the game) has not achieved that much on the international scene, but the media portrays them to be the best in the world. Even though they only have one lonely star on their tops. Some of the players may be the best or among the best in their respective positions but it does not seem that way when they are playing for their national team.
Some of the players may be the best or among the best in their respective positions ...
You blame the media for hype then do it yourself? :)
The problem is that they are not the best in the world. Some of them just think they are, e.g. Michael Owen's quote above.
WRT the media, you may be aware that up here in Scotland lots of people enjoy seeing England getting beat. This is not because they don't like the England or their players. Far from it. It's because they don't like the crap that is spouted by the English and supposedly UK media about the England team.
It is also because the BBC/ITV and the rest of the "UK wide" media spend too much time on England's chances at the expense of the other nations. People in England are generally unaware of this because in general they are only concerned with coverage of their own team.
(Alan Curbishly is your man by the way!)
Regarding England's claim as inventors of the modern game; actually Scotland invented it and we have the evidence here for all to see.
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I thought Genghis Kahn practiced a form of football using the severed heads of his unfortunate captors. This should predate the Scottish claim, and I am sure I read somewhere that the ancient Chinese also had a similar game.
I agree that the English players are not up to standard look at all the fuss made about Rooney. The few times he has been fit to play for England he has been underwhelming in the extreme.
I listen to Sports radio a lot while I'm working and I am appalled at the Scottish tendency to support whoever is playing against England. This is something that is not generally reciprocated by the English. We like all British teams to do well and I remember when Scotland were at the world cup and we weren't a few years ago - to a man we supported Scotland and hoped they would do well.
I know you all get fed up with your perceived media bias, but you have to get over that childishness and stop taking what you read in the newspapers and watch on TV so seriously. You know that nobody believes it and it is just English bravado.
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I know you all get fed up with your perceived media bias, but you have to get over that childishness and stop taking what you read in the newspapers and watch on TV so seriously. You know that nobody believes it and it is just English bravado.
Hold on a minute. You refer to our "perceived media bias" then go on to say that we should not take what we read seriously? Take what seriously? do you mean the biased media coverage?
I would not expect an English person to understand this problem unless perhaps they had lived in Scotland, Ireland or Wales for a few years. As I said earlier, you guys are just incapable of recognising or understanding it but I won't hold that against you ;)
Football, golf, television, whisky... is there no end to Scottish Innovation?
Don't get me started. ;)
You are only scratching the surface, we did invent all of the above as well as ...
telephone
penicillin
radar
antisepsis
anaesthetics
Bank of England
US Navy
steam engine and first steamboat
modern road surfaces (Tarmac)
pedal bicycle
pneumatic tyre
post office and postage stamps
PIN and ATM machines
Encyclopędia Britannica
logarithms
fingerprinting
quinine
paraffin
fountain pen
and so on ad infinitum ...
Can you imagine that our wee country of about 5 million people had the intellect, time and energy to to invent all of these and more while punching well above our weight in every war involving the British Army for the last 300 years?
BBDU - you are teaching me a lot about Scotland it seems. Thank you.
Will definitely have to go there one day, if only to see how the best single malts are made.
I do think it is a shame that England are not part of the home nations tournament they are setting up.It would help build pride in the team to be able to play Scotland, N. Ireland, and Wales.
I am sorry to say that I feel none of the English managers are up for the job. None have succeeded at the highest levels of football. This is why I support Mourinho as the next manager of England.
When he managed Chelski I thought he did and said some stupid things but the silverware speaks for itself. I also think he would do more than just manage the team, I think he would try to totally revamp youth football (the future) in England.
If media reports are to be believed at all I am surprised he has not yet been approached.
I think a team manager has to be from the team's own country otherwise the passion is not there.
I think you would find that 4 - 6 million a year would provide all the passion needed. Plus someone wh is professional enough and loves the game, like JM seems to would imho give his all. I get the impression he does not like to fail.
And if you think about it, all the recent previous English managers they have had, fared worse than Mr. Sven!
Stands to reason, cos like I keep saying none of them have actually acheieved anything at club level, apart from keeping sides up. But if they are so good, how come none of the top clubs want them.
The only one is Ferguson. Now there is an idea.... ;-)
The only one is Ferguson.
Nah! I've told you before, Fergie will be coming back to Scotland when he completes his missionary work. ;)
He would probably make a good fist of it if he can keep his weird religious beliefs to himself and stop himself from bringing faith healers and psychics into the dressing room.
Football wise he didn't do much wrong last time he was manager.
AFAIC the greatest thing invented in Scotland comes in a bottle with "Single Malt" written on it. All the other inventions pale into insignificance by comparison.
The unfortunate thing about Glenn Hoddle is his unfortunate choice of words/opinions that may or may not have been correctly reported in the right context by the media. He sounded politically insensitive, however he wasn't hired for his political views! What ever his methods, and if they worked to help the team bind and get results, then so be it.
The FA should hire a PR person to deal with the media to let the managers get on with their jobs.
Personally I find it irritating to hear scandals reported about the England mgrs that is all about their personal lives (e.g. Sven).
.....and BBD - perhaps Ferguson may do charity work for the England team....- one last challenge before returning to the wails of bagpipes! :o)
single malt
Single malt - anaesthesia - same thing. :)
BBW has a thread here on the new Scottish manager:
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My suggestion of Vinnie Jones seems to have been ignored!
[edited by: Visit_Thailand at 11:37 pm (utc) on Dec. 5, 2007]
The BBC's take on it is slightly different, but who'd question The Sun!
Whatever, at least he has been approached.
Shame really as he was the only exciting one, and imho the only one with he ability to turn England's footballing woes around.
None of the other candidates raise half as much hope or excitememnt as JM did.
