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Color of your ties or depth of knowledge

Which one earns you more customers or a better job position

         

Habtom

6:16 am on Jul 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Which one earns you more customers or a better job position: Color of your tie or depth of knowledge?

If you know what I mean . . . :)

[edited by: Habtom at 6:17 am (utc) on July 16, 2007]

lawman

10:18 am on Jul 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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>>If you know what I mean . . .

I thought I did until you asked.

Habtom

10:25 am on Jul 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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>>If you know what I mean . . .
I thought I did until you asked.

hehe, I was trying to emphasize the fact that some people can't see beyond the visual appearance of a person. Not that I am much a victim of it, but looking at someone giving more respect to somebody's outer appearance and not much of a deep interest in what comes beyond was what the post is all about.

Surely, knowledge is much more important for one, leaving all the nonsense appearance issue behind. But, I was vaguely expecting for something good to come from a question of no value.

I hereby alienate myself from the question :)

[edited by: Habtom at 10:37 am (utc) on July 16, 2007]

vincevincevince

10:45 am on Jul 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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It depends on the colour of your ties.

ronin

1:48 pm on Jul 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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This brings me back to a few times when I have been to affiliate conferences where there are people there in suits and others in T-shirts and jeans. And you just know the ones in jeans are more successful and affluent than the ones in suits. But what's really amusing is that half the guys in suits actually don't know this.

bcolflesh

1:55 pm on Jul 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Length of your tie.

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more...

Gibble

2:24 pm on Jul 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Neither. Their personality will be what gets them ahead.

Appearance plays a part, knowledge plays a part, but your ability to sell yourself no matter what your appearance or knowledge is what counts.

You can wear a suit and have a great resume, but if you can't talk to me why would I hire you?

LifeinAsia

3:13 pm on Jul 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Depth of knowledge. Oh, and what's a tie? :)

King_Fisher

3:53 pm on Jul 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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The old school tie still means a lot in some circles. KF

grandpa

9:44 pm on Jul 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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It's all irrelevant to me. But, back in the day, it was depth of knowledge that propelled me to the heights. I wore the same tired ties wherever I went.

Habtom

5:06 am on Jul 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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But what's really amusing is that half the guys in suits actually don't know this.

Half is understatement. :)

weeks

1:13 pm on Jul 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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If you can't get the basics right: Comb your hair, dress properly, act reasonably well in common social situations, what reason do we have believe you can handle complex technical, financial or management situations?

bcolflesh

1:34 pm on Jul 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

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If you can't get the basics right: Comb your hair, dress properly, act reasonably well in common social situations, what reason do we have believe you can handle complex technical, financial or management situations?

Sounds logical, but the reality is that many elite international technical, financial or management folks are completely in their own self-created social bubble, and many don't do any of the things you'd describe as basics.

Essex_boy

2:49 am on Jul 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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But what's really amusing is that half the guys in suits actually don't know this - They assume that if you dont have a top of the range this or that then you must be earning peanuts.

Im sad to say I know people like this.

Durham_e

7:19 am on Jul 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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If two people were walking towards the plane you were about to board.

One was in a suit and tie the other in jeans and a T-shirt.

Which one would you hope was the pilot?

Habtom

8:21 am on Jul 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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One was in a suit and tie the other in jeans and a T-shirt.

Which one would you hope was the pilot?

ok ok the guy with ties, but who can fly me safe? Tie doesn't guarantee safety :)

Durham_e

8:57 am on Jul 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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OK, but like it or not the person with the tie looks more like they care about tomorrow and they have invested in themselves making it through. I often wonder what politicians have heard that makes them practically always face the media wearing a tie. Funny custom really.

Habtom

9:59 am on Jul 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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the person with the tie looks more like they care about tomorrow and they have invested in themselves making it through.

I disagree. People who care about tomorrow care less about their public appearance. Nearly every successful person I know, has the average dressing style.

I often wonder what politicians have heard that makes them practically always face the media wearing a tie. Funny custom really.

Being a politician in reality is all about public appearance, they create problems and they themselves mess with it and perhaps solve some of it. Have you ever heard people waging war against the other, it is the politicians who do it, and they are the ones who manage it. What else do they have to do anyway?

Gibble

1:57 pm on Jul 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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If two people were walking towards the plane you were about to board.

One was in a suit and tie the other in jeans and a T-shirt.

Which one would you hope was the pilot?

Assuming they were both pilots, the guy in jeans and a t-shirt. In my experience, when a person doesn't wear a suit, and just wears every day presentable clothes, they have more confidence in themselves, they're not trying to pass on how they look, but on their knowledge and their personality. In short, they know they're good, and don't need to resort to packaging to sell themselves.

ronin

2:54 pm on Jul 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I think the key to this is that there are two categories of jeans-wearers and two categories of suit-wearers.

Jeans #1) I'm clueless, lazy, disinterested and frankly, I can't be bothered. Don't tell me what to do, I'll wear what I like.

Suit #1) I'm keen to impress, I don't know much but I'm willing to learn. Perhaps I'll never learn anything more, but I least I look presentable.

Suit #2) I'm an experienced professional, I know my game and I want everyone to see it and know it. I really look the part.

Jeans #2) I'm the dogz. I have nothing to prove to anyone. All your bases are belong to me. Hahaha.

LifeinAsia

3:23 pm on Jul 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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If two people were walking towards the plane you were about to board.
One was in a suit and tie the other in jeans and a T-shirt.
Which one would you hope was the pilot?

The SOBER one!

grandpa

3:36 pm on Jul 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Comb your hair, dress properly, act reasonably well in common social situations

Einstein didn't adhere to these traits.

lawman

3:40 pm on Jul 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Expecting conformity from the denizens of this forum might be stretching it a little. :)

weeks

7:09 pm on Jul 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Einstein didn't adhere to these traits.

OK, if you are Einstein, don't worry about it.

But, Grandpa's point is well taken. We should not be too quick to judge.

jatar_k

7:13 pm on Jul 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I think the judging is done by whatever "we" you are trying to impress

davewray

4:01 pm on Jul 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I think the best thing in life is being very successful and not Having to impress anyone. It's not that you don't care about what you do, or how you do it, you just don't care what others think about you, and don't have to care either.

I don't even own a suit, does that make me less of a human than a person who has a dozen designer suits and 100 ties in their wardrobe?

I'm not generalizing, but quite often those who dress the part have the most to prove, and quite often fall short of impressing in the end.

phranque

6:41 pm on Jul 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

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there is nothing natural about tying a knot around your neck.
a tie is an intentional deception - it is merely a part of an elaborate costume.

King_Fisher

7:45 am on Jul 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Much to do about nothing! A suit and tie is a uniform. If you play on a football team you wear a uniform, basketball ditto, soccer etc, baseball also.
When you work for a corporation you wear a uniform, ergo a suit and tie.

All of us self employed Interneters don't play on a team. We are free to wear whatever we like. That plus sleeping in late is one of our benefits! KF

[edited by: King_Fisher at 7:50 am (utc) on July 21, 2007]

Gibble

3:04 pm on Jul 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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The day I, as a programmer, am required to wear a suit and tie at the office is the day I quit.

The reason sports teams, and the military wear uniforms is to differentiate yourselves from your competition.

The reason some places based on sales with the public require uniforms is similar, it's to differentiate staff from customers, so they can find you easily and you don't blend in with other customers.

What good does a suit do you when you don't deal with anyone outside the company, and if you do, they're also wearing a suit?

The "uniform" argument is moot.

[edited by: Gibble at 3:06 pm (utc) on July 21, 2007]

zerotre

3:05 pm on Jul 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Imagine the two individuals walking towards the plane are both pilots, and both sober. And ladies.
One is dressed professionally, stewardess-like, hair in order.
The other wears torn jeans, a piercing in her navel and the like.
Here we have two individuals who presumably are both qualified to drive the plane.
The point could be:
Would the the appearance make a difference if all other conditions were the same?
Does the professionally-dressed individual show more respect for her profession and for the feelings of the people who trust their lives to her?
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