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If you know what I mean . . . :)
[edited by: Habtom at 6:17 am (utc) on July 16, 2007]
there is nothing natural about tying a knot around your neck
There's nothing natural about wearing jeans and a T-shirt, either.
As for what the pilots are wearing, what's appropriate would be a matter of context, just like anything else. At a remote airstrip in Canada's north, a bush pilot wearing a uniform with gold braid and the whole bit would likely either be viewed with suspicion or laughed at. On the other hand, at a major international airport the pilot had better be wearing a conventional uniform if he/she wants to be taken seriously.
Some good points! The uniform analogy might be flawed, but the premise isn't.
In most corporations you wear suits and ties because that is the excepted norm.
If you choose not to, you seek employment elsewhere that it is not required.
You do not wear a suit (uniform) to differentiate against your competitors but
to state that you are part of the corporation(team).
Some corporations cut IT some slack on the dress codes. That because we are the
only ones who understand what a GB is and how to fix a server crash.
While you might quit if required to wear a suit and tie, if the pay is good enough some one will show up to take the job and don the uniform. KF
Color of your ties or depth of knowledge -
Which one earns you more customers or a better job position
I think the two are really two different applications.
Job - Ties. The last post summed it up nicely: I am willing to conform, I am willing to be a team player, I am willing to play by your rules.
Customers - if you are a representative of the preceding company, you are expected, by both clientèle and co-workers, to look like the rest of the team.
If you are your own "team," I find customers are wary lot. As soon as they see a suit and tie, they see salesman, put up the guards, a fast-talking mouthpiece with an uncanny ability to find his or her way into their pockets. When I approach a customer in jeans and casual wear, it's all up front, no BS, they are put at ease.
I think this one's way off:
Jeans #1: I'm clueless, lazy, disinterested and frankly, I can't be bothered. Don't tell me what to do, I'll wear what I like.
Perhaps the permutations in this thread [webmasterworld.com] might apply, but it takes a lot more than jeans and a T-shirt to put forth this impression. More likely, I'm an ordinary Jane or Joe, this is who I am, there are no pretenses . . . or costumes here.
Customers seem to like this approach. Let's not forget the story of "Pursuit of Happyness."
"Beware of any enterprise that requires new clothes." -- Thoreau
You can never be over-dressed when it comes to business, but you can easily be under-dressed.
Show me you are willing to do a good job by starting with doing a good job on the first impressions!
The day I, as a programmer, am required to wear a suit and tie at the office is the day I quit.
How comfortable is it anyway, with every if or loop condition you write, your tie will be out there on your keyboards. I have seen some people wearing suits and tie take the pleasure of putting back the tie whenever it slips out.
On the inside of me, I think I want to convince myself that wearing a tie is good, but I am not yet convinced.
It is a mark of respect to your customer. Jeans and a T-shirt show that you don't care about meeting the full expectations of the customer.You can never be over-dressed when it comes to business, but you can easily be under-dressed.
Show me you are willing to do a good job by starting with doing a good job on the first impressions!
I don't agree. I have a friend, he's a lawyer, granted, he wears a suit, but when he's off to a potential client who's loaded, and has more money than he knows what to do with, he drives there in an everyday economical car, he doesn't want to give the impression he's making as much as he is, as they're less likely to use his services, they are business men, and it gives the impression his bill is just going to his lifestyle, not their case.
Jeans and a T-shirt show that you don't care about meeting the full expectations of the customer.
I heartily disagree. Not doing the job properly shows you don't care about meeting the full expectations of the customer. There may be a perception held by those with petty mindsets that there is a self-evident correlation between how you dress and your professionalism but I actually doubt that such a correlation has existed for quite a while (if it ever did).
I don't agree. I have a friend, he's a lawyer, granted, he wears a suit, but when he's off to a potential client who's loaded, and has more money than he knows what to do with, he drives there in an everyday economical car, he doesn't want to give the impression he's making as much as he is, as they're less likely to use his services, they are business men, and it gives the impression his bill is just going to his lifestyle, not their case.
Sounds like your friend either likes to yank your chain or he really overthinks things. ;)
The larger consideration is, will he be a successful advocate for my case?
Fees(within limits) are usually not a consideration. Successful lawyers are not
cheap. Cheap lawyers are usually not successful.KF
It is quite impossible to impress some people you really need at work or generally in life, by just showing your skills and acquired knowledge.
I might need quite a few changes, it is going to be rough, but I am willing to do it :)
Even that means spending sometime looking for good ties :)
Reading through all the posts, it should be evident that you will find a lot of different opinions from different people. Like so many other things in business, there is no one-size-fits-all answer. Some businesses are more traditional and expect suits and ties from their employees and vendors/partners. Others are more laid back and may even cut the ties off anyone who steps into their office.
So the key is (again, like so many other issues in business): know your audience. If you're going to be visiting a "suit shop" then don't show up wearing jeans. If you're going to a "jean shop" a suit and power tie probably won't cut it.
One of my favorite ties is my Snoopy tie. It's power red with a bunch of pictures of Snoopy riding a bicycle. Most people (except my wife, who hates it) love it, and it often acts as an ice breaker leading to a conversation about bicycling.
<edit>Having said that, look for me in a classic Don Cherry suit at Pubcon in Vegas!</edit> What kind of statement would that put accross? :)
ps. If you don't know who Don Cherry is, search for him in your favourite SE....and check out his wardrobe :)
