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Netherlands -Nederland
Fact sheet [odci.gov]
Domain(s): nl
Online population: 7,28 million (45,8%) (1Q/2001)
Native language(s): Dutch
Understanding of English: High
Hosts in domain: 1,8 million (April 2001)
Pages in language: 6,29 million (April 2001, all domains)
Pages in domain: 6,73 million (Sep 2000, all languages)
Local presence required for domain registration: Yes
Multiple domains allowed: Yes
Professional help: See bottom of page
Known general search engines:
Altavista [nl.altavista.com]
Language interface: Dutch Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: Altavista Meta description used in search replies: Yes
Things that help ranking: Local language: No Local domain: No Keyword in URL: Yes Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: Yes? Keyword in header: Yes Keyword in 1st paragraph: Yes Other: ?
Elite [eli.nl]
Language interface: Dutch Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?
Excite [nl.excite.com]
Language interface: Dutch Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?
G!mme [gimmens.com]
Language interface: English Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: Own Meta description used in search replies: yes
Things that help ranking: Local language: No Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: Yes Keyword in title: yes Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: Yes Keyword in header: Only if no meta tags are used Keyword in 1st paragraph: Only if no meta tags are used Other: Indexes sites. Meta tags important. Small database (2% of Altavista)
Ilse [ilse.nl]
Language interface: Dutch Traffic volume: #1 Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: No, but must be Dutch owned Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: Yes
Things that help ranking: Local language: Yes Local domain: No Keyword in URL: Yes Keyword in title: ?Big YES Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: Yes Keyword in header: Yes Keyword in 1st paragraph: Yes Other: Nothing else helps ranking. Ilse ususally indexes newly submitted urls nightly 23.00 to 03.00 local time (GMT+1)
Lycos [lycos.nl]
Language interface: Dutch Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?
Planet [planet.nl]
Language interface: Dutch Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: Altavista index Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?
Search [search.nl]
Language interface: Dutch Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?
Vindex [vindex.nl]
Language interface: Dutch Traffic volume: 1,6 mill visitors/mo Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: Own Meta description used in search replies: Yes
Things that help ranking: Local language: No Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: Yes Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: Yes Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: Yes Other: Keywords in ALT tags! Keywords in mail addresses!
Known general directories:
1ste KEUZE [1stekeuze.nl]
Language interface: Dutch Traffic volume: 2.000 unique visitors per day Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: No No. of categories allowed per site: 1 (editors may give more Search method: Directory first, then meta search
Things that help ranking: Local language: No Local domain: No Keyword in URL: No Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Yes Other: Keyword in keyword field helps, but cannot be repeated from title and/or description. Use plural forms, synonyms and unique keywords here. Submit a description in Dutch, mentioning availabe languages. Must have unique content interesting to Dutch
EC Rider [ecrider.nl]
Language interface: Dutch Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?
Looksmart [nl.looksmart.com]
Language interface: Dutch Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?
Pagina [startpagina.nl]
Language interface: Dutch Traffic volume: >1 million page visits/day Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: No No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: No Keyword in URL: No Keyword in title: No Keyword in description: No Other: ?
track [track.nl]
Language interface: Dutch Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?
wwwgids [wwwgids.net]
Language interface: Dutch Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?
Zoek.nl [zoek.nl]
Language interface: Dutch Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?
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Updated 24 april 2001
Edited by: rencke
Also, both [search.nl...] and [eli.nl...] claim to be search engines, there's no way to search through the database.
If Vinden is meta search + ODP I wonder if we should list it at all? Meta engines are not interesting from an SEO point of view and if their only directory is ODP, then they have no independent platform of their own. Any opionions from our Dutch members on this?
Tried search.nl, which is indeed a search engine, but with a very small index. Eli did not work when I tried just now but looks like a search engine.
This will go into the next update.
there is no Dutch based equivalent...we have no Dutch member centres...the nearest equivalent service don't have similar information to ours on the web...so it seems a shame not to be able to be listed on the No 1 Dutch SE, but I can't see a way of doing it
According to the information supplied by WmW members (above), Ilse will index a dot-com as long as it is in Dutch. Translation should not be difficult to arrange (most of the members posting here will be happy to help you for a fee). You might consider a new dot-com with a keyword in the URL, that looks nice. Or you might try a dot-be in Dutch, another possibillity.
as far as ilse.nl goes...we have a Dutch translation and are already getting significant traffic to it...I'm just looking for a way to get it listed on top SE for the language
I've often found that even when we don't meet the stated criteria we can get listed simply through being a useful and unique resource that has genuine benefits for the users of most SEs...but that requires being able to email the SE...I may try snail mail to ilse.nl unless somebody can think of a better idea
I think you need about 4 months at this stage if you want to read everything. There are over 35.000 posts in WmW.
Anyway, I took this opportunity to update the Netherlands overview with new fresh data reflecting the extremely rapid growth of Internet in the country and to make the corrections pipvis suggested above.
You can try to submit your site here
[help.ilse.nl...]
Its's for domains that are not accepted into Ilse automatically.
A domain does not have to be owned by somebody dutch, just maintained. There is probably no way for them to check this, so I would expect any domain submitted through this address should make it into Ilse.
(Contrary to the above Rencke)
The first form field is for name, second for email, third for the URL.
It may take a month or even more before they get around to it.
The form warns against multiple submissions of the same url, since it will be reviewed by a human editor.
thanks for the help
Dutch ranking according to Nedstat data
[planet.nl...]
"Checkit explains the growth for Google with the growing experience among surfers in the use of search engines. New users start searching via the general service provided by their ISP. More experienced users, on the other hand, will use international engines such as Google."
To the best of my knowledge, Google is not advertising anywhere in Europe, so the growth witnessed in Netherlands - and to a lesser degree elsewhere - must be due to word of mouth.
I also advertise on google with my site, I get a clicktrough of about 2%.
Gr, Theo
Is the bulk of your traffic made up of Dutch people using Google or USA people finding your site?
I've just started with a Dutch company and have the task of getting them traffic and I'm not sure if I should focus my efforts more on the USA or Dutch engines?
Your observations about Ilse and Google and interesting. I remember a member pointing out last autumn that Ilse had been severely spammed and that this seemed to be easy to do. That could explain the rapid rise of popularity for Google, which is definitely on the march all over Europe.
2% click through is a VERY nice figure. If you look in the Google forum, there is a long discussion about the Google Ad Word program, that has been going on this summer. Why not post your figure there too? I think people who are considering advertising in Google will be very interested to hear about it.
a majority of the traffic for our Dutch translation comes from Ilse...start there for the moment
after that it's the Dutch language versions of the international engines rather than local Dutch SEs
A bit diffecult to always seperate those things. Look at the order figures both dutch and international costumers use google.
When I started advertising on google I did get an big raise in dutch orders though.
But on the moment things are slowing down, one week I am happy the next depressed :-(
In my opinion, the Meta SE's *should* be important to the SEO community. They each have their own way of ranking the results from the engines they get and may or may not filter the results.
For example: try Ixquick. Ixquick searches different SE's in different languages, filters the results and ranks them according to the number of engines that finds a page and te weight they give to the the different engines. Enter your keyword first, you get the other options with the result page (that's the wrong order, in my opinion:-(().
Ilse says it will update its technology (which I think is a good thing) but that will have no effect on their directory. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up with switching to better technology and perhaps using a bigger databases (ODP or Google's) for secondary results, but I think they will present their directoy content first or give it extra weight in the rankings.
Good point. Perhaps we have been wrong in neglecting meta search engines. I will start a new discussion on this topic later today.
For now I have another question: is there a thread or even a Forum - somewhere, anywhere - dedicated to ranking analyses that you might know of?
Thanks!
Netherlands:
Online population: 8,671,316
active users: 4,526,370
online time/month 6:44
online shopping last 6 months:
28% % of adults (+16) browsing for products online
11% adults purchasing online
According to Voelspriet [voelspriet.nl] Ilse decide not to use either Fast nor Google. (Article in Dutch).
The article quotes Zoekprof [zoekprof.nl]. Also in Dutch.
Ilse's CEO Paul Molenaar stated their target audience does not warrant the high costs of a search engine with a very large database. He said the percentage of professional (more experienced) searchers using Ilse at this point is too small to warrant investments to please only this group.
Instead they will integrate as much of their own sites into Ilse search results as possible, startpagina.nl, pagina.nl and nu.nl
(subject.pagina.nl and startpagina are volunteer based indexes as in subject.about.com)
Nu.nl is a news site.
They also intend to introduce pay-for-play, and paid services for their visitors.
" The user will have to get used to paying for services " is what Molenaar said.
Pending the new changes, no new submissions to Ilse are accepted.
As ODP-editor (for search engines and meta engines) I would love to see quality listings.
Have a look at:
[dmoz.org...]
This list is up to date. Please feel free to add some engines in your listing:)
My radio interview with Paul Molenaar of Ilse, mentioned in this group, is online now. Check out:
[voelspriet.nl...]
If you need a source for Dutch search engine news, visit www.voelspriet.nl/nieuws.htm
We ran several stories about Ilse, f.e. they won't update there database for weeks.
Henk van Ess
(edited by: voelspriet at 10:41 am (gmt) on Oct. 4, 2001
Since you bring up the subject;
What search engines do you search with Voelspriet, which is obviously a meta search engine even though you do not mention sources of search results ?
Why is Voelspriet in the zoekmachines (search engines)category and not in the metazoekmachines (metasearch engines) or some other category ?
The Voelspriet-engine consists of three sources of data:
- own spider, called Antenna 55%
- meta-data, 30%
- Data added by users 15%
The three streams are filtered out by special scripts. It enables us to finetune the output on a daily basis.
As for the category, my collegues decided that this was the best one. But other categories apply too. General rule is that a site can't be listed twice in ODP.
Ty for your interest
Henk van Ess
(edited by: voelspriet at 1:30 pm (gmt) on Oct. 4, 2001(edited by: voelspriet at 1:32 pm (gmt) on Oct. 4, 2001
