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Explain?
vrtltw:
"Motivation questions spring to mind for me...."
My motiation was the same as with all my internet marketing efforts: to receive more visitors and make more sales. The fact that Bluefind is especailly interesting because of its high PR should not be a reason for Google to ignore it. As far as I am concerned, Google would then have to ignore reputable directories like DMOZ and Yahoo also: many webmasters have PR in mind when they want to get listed there and/or anywhere. As far as I am concerned, the $40.- that Bluefind asks for a listing is as good a method of discouraging less serious webmasters as any.
"Because we have done some massive advertising, including buying links and banners from Internet.com and various other high PageRank, webmaster related sites, BlueFind now boasts a very strong PR8."
Explain?
See IITian's post... The motivation of the webmaster and an advertising level that is probably near impossible to maintain for a significant period of time.
Don't hold your breath on that one. BlueFind doesn't sell PR, nor do we guarantee listings. In fact, we've refunded money and refused to list several sites.
AllTheWeb shows 400,000+ backlinks for BlueFind, and Internet.com is just a small part of it. We buy advertising, which is done every day a thousand times a day without "white bar".
Please excuse the fact that we're a new directory. Contrary to popular belief, two farts and a sneeze does not equal a populated directory. It takes time, as in years.
mosley, pay no mind whatsoever! There will always be a chicken little running around trying to tell everyone that the sky is falling. Then of course if the sky does look like it's falling those same ones will be telling people to sit idly by and do nothing, just to wait for the wind to change direction.
Here we have a company that is trying to be a major directory, and they don't even accept direct credit card payment. Can you say red flag.
Even with an Alexa rank of 11,000 - it's going to take forever to fill each category.
Some categories have only 1 company in them, most have nothing. He'll need at least 15 in each. Although I would have thought with an Alexa rank of 11'000 - he would have a lot more companies listed.
What's going on?
To me knowing that John spent tons of money on advertising means that he is serious about what he is doing.
Sure the directory is new and does not have a ton of sites in it, but it does have a ton of value for those who realize the value of getting lots of links from many different sites (plus less sites in it means more link popularity for the sites that are).
The review time is fast, and how many other directories do you know that have a support forum for their directory where they answer questions promptly and courtiously?
I am one of Johns good friends, but even if I was not I still would list my sites and my clients sites in his directory.
Submitting your site to 10 - 20 directories gives your site a huge advantage over competitors who do not. The solid PageRank of BlueFind also indicates that the links will likely be indexed and help carry a good amount of link popularity through to your site.
With all the link brokering and recurring fees going on everywhere it is good to see another directory that lists sites for a one time fee.
John Scott, the owner of Bluefind, is one of the most knowledgable, and trusted names in SEO.
Yeah, by whom? Perhaps I am not in the "in-crowd" but as far as SEO is concerned I have 0 respect for JS or his cohorts, yes I am aware of who they are, but please do not remind me of their religious following - [in the same sentence] Marcia, oh how you have fallen from your position, I had much more repect for you previously, (respect that you probably don't care about).
As for Bluefind, where should I start?
Should it be the forum spamming, or the advertising model that won't hold a PR of 8 any longer than a tissue holds bogeys, or pehaps the arrogant and bullish nature of it's editors/publishers? (Yes, I can provide documentation).
While I can sympathise with the needs to get a PR8 listing, please bear in mind the company these people keep and the enemies they make.... PR8 is hard to keep over a period of time as we all know, Bluefind is no different. Let us see what they do with all of our hard earned cash and watch the success (or failure) of this site over the next few updates!
Look, the simple fact of the matter is that I signed up for this guys site and my username and password was pulled out of my temp. internet files and the password was identical to my online banking password... Which was not what I expected to see when viewing the bluefind direcotory submission pages.
AFAIC JS should do some testing b4 releasing a product!
None of my staff has ever spammed any forum.
>>or the advertising model that won't hold a PR of 8 any longer than a tissue holds bogeys
PageRank doesn't belong to us - it's owned by Google and whatever PR Google assigns to BlueFind is none of our business. That said, of all the websites I've put online, none have come close to generating as many organic, free links as BlueFind has. I have no reason to suspect that the PR will drop any time soon, and neither do you.
>>or pehaps the arrogant and bullish nature of it's editors/publishers?
We have three editors at this time, and only two who make contact with the public. The only complaints I've encoutered so far are from SEO's who want inappropriate (keyword) anchor text, when we go out of our way to explain in the submission guidelines that we only use the website name/company name as the title.
>>(Yes, I can provide documentation).
I'd be more than interested in seeing that.
>>please bear in mind the company these people keep and the enemies they make
Perhaps you have me confused with somebody else? Enemies are for politicians - I'm just a friendly guy who speaks is mind and loves a lively debate or two. My friends online far outnumber possibly "enemies", and I'm proud of the company we keep.
>>PR8 is hard to keep over a period of time as we all know
That's news to me. I've often been surprised at how hard it is to lose PR8. Esapecially when so many PR8's are blatently selling text links on the basis of PR.
>>Let us see what they do with all of our hard earned cash and watch the success (or failure) of this site over the next few updates!
That's always a good idea. If in doubt, give it a year or so and see where BlueFind ends up. As for "hard earned cash", if $40 is a big deal to you, I'd really recommend not submitting. I don't want anybody's children going hungry. We do find and list quality sites on our own, so you might just want to wait till an editor stumbles upon your URL.
You've lost me there. There is no-place on BlueFind where you are asked to, or where you could volunteer, a password.
Yeah yeah yeah, so what is the bluefind sig. doing across so
many webmaster forum chats then?
Bluefind never asks for a username or passwords...Paypal does...but that's Paypal...If that's pulling from your temp files then you've got some serious problems with your computer you should address.
Like John said, it never asks for username or password on bluefind so you must really have something confused....you shouldn't post about things you know nothing about...it only makes you look stupid.
[edited by: jimsthoughts at 10:36 am (utc) on July 26, 2004]
.you shouldn't post about things you know nothing about...it only makes you look stupid.
Well, I know about HTML forms, PHP and Perl and I know that a site designed to accept your password should not dig for your cached passwords on your local HDD. This password is used nowhere else other than a password.....
[edited by: vrtlw at 10:34 am (utc) on July 26, 2004]
I really, really recommend against using your password as your username. Not a bright idea, IMO. Of the 4,800+ members, I'm guessing you're the only one to do that, and the first I've heard of it.
I'm guessing either you accidentally copied and pasted it from somewhere or it was entered via auto-complete. Either way, members don't get automatically registered on the forums. Users should review the information before hitting the "submit" button, and if that's too daunting of a task, there's nothing I can do to help you.
>>Yeah yeah yeah, so what is the bluefind sig. doing across so many webmaster forum chats then?
If you think BlueFind staff are spamming, please post it here. Innuendo really doesn't help anybody.
>>site designed to accept your password should not dig for your cached passwords on your local HDD
And v7n doesn't. Never has - never will.
John Scott, the owner of Bluefind, is one of the most knowledgable, and trusted names in SEO.
And, so whats going to happen if I disagree with the honorable JS?
Plenty of people disagree with me all the time - that's what makes life interesting. Think how boring it would be if we all agreed on everything!
[edited by: skibum at 3:32 pm (utc) on July 26, 2004]
You gotta sort out that password issue asap though
He would be better off filling it with companies before starting to advertise - as several people have already talked about the lack of companies.
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'(plus less sites in it means more link popularity for the sites that are)'
Yeah, at the moment. But any advantage you think your getting will soon be lost once it starts to fill up!
There's no value in the basic listing anymore. You might get a few visitors here and there from it, but.....
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'and how many other directories do you know that have a support forum for their directory where they answer questions promptly and courtiously?'
Mine has one.
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And $40 dollars is a bit pricey for something that hasn't many results (I realise it's a start up).
I would have thought around $10 one-time fee would be more acceptable.
The problem he has is that he's trying to sell something that's of little use at the moment. He's trying to attract users, but he has no content with which to keep them coming back, and without tons of users, he can't sell any advertising space.
And besides, it looks like another General directory anyway, and there are a ton of those.
I can't understand why he's got such a high Alexa rank, when he's got no content?
If he's spent loads on advertising, why hasn't he put that into getting content - getting it filled, rather than promote an empty directory.
