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My Latest suggestion to Yahoo

         

bigsefreak

11:12 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Dear Yahoo,

Sorry to say, but today was big disappointment.

1) Yahoo results are 100% same as Google.
2) AOL results are 100% same as Google.
3) Netscape results are 100% same as Google.

Now, give me one reason, why should a regular person use Yahoo search to find anything, why not just go straight to Google.

Now, give me one reason, why should AOL user visit yahoo.com to search anything, why not just use AOL search, as they are going to get the same results.

I am sure you got the drill and there is no need for me to repeat every place.

Also, I forgot to mention that, now there is not going to be any *paid* (US$ 299.00 + US$ 299.00/annual) submission to Yahoo, as now the results are going to be from Google and we would rather spend money buying/getting links, then submitting a site to yahoo.

For us, now there is just one more reason not to use Yahoo Search. Say goodbye to Yahoo Search -just use the Google toolbar.

Thanks and hope some human will read this email and consider the possible pros & cons of this decision.

fathom

11:50 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Now, give me one reason, why should a regular person use Yahoo search to find anything, why not just go straight to Google.

The same reason that Macusers are Macusers when Windows dominates the market.

Familiarily and Loyalty! :)

jk3210

1:56 am on Oct 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>Now, give me one reason, why should a regular person use Yahoo search to find anything, why not just go straight to Google. <<

Maybe they WERE going to Google and that was the problem Yahoo was facing.

Now they don't HAVE TO go to Google.

jk3210

2:03 am on Oct 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>now there is not going to be any *paid* (US$ 299.00 + US$ 299.00/annual) submission to Yahoo<<

In my opinion:

1) To rank high in Yahoo, you must rank high in Google

2) To rank high in Google, you must have a good PageRank

3) To have a good PageRank, you must have a Yahoo DIRECTORY listing

4) To have a Yahoo DIRECTORY listing, you must pay the $299

5) Proceed to step #1 above (because all your competitors will be)

dauction

2:09 am on Oct 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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You have to pay $299 because you never know what Googles algo is going to do one month to the next !

As soon as all those linking schemes (to achive PR) start making main stream you'll see google house of cards come tumbling down..

jaytierney

6:49 pm on Oct 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Yahoo directory listings are NOT a must for good page rank. I have a site that is two months old, is NOT, I repeat NOT, listed in Yahoo and it is currently PR6. Enough said.

Napoleon

7:07 pm on Oct 10, 2002 (gmt 0)



>> 3) To have a good PageRank, you must have a Yahoo DIRECTORY listing <<

I'm afraid that is indeed where your argument falls JK. It's simply not true.

jk3210

7:16 pm on Oct 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>I'm afraid that is indeed where your argument falls JK. It's simply not true.<<

It wasn't meant to be an argument, really --more of a thought. But, maybe I'm mis-informed about PR...so here's my question:

All else being equal, would a typical web page most likely have a higher or lower PR without a Yahoo directory listing?

Quinn

7:31 pm on Oct 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It would have a higher PR with the Yahoo directory listing. Theoretically however, if every aspect of that Yahoo directory page was replicated (especially inbound and outbound links) and sat on a different domain, then a link from that page would be equal to a link from the Yahoo page.

I guess the point is that there is no Yahoo bonus for PR, the Yahoo directory page just has many characteristics of a valuable page to receive a link from as far as PR is concerned.

<edit... can't spell>

chiyo

7:32 pm on Oct 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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google results are NOT the same as Y! results..

1. Google loads faster
2. Yahoo has lots of ads
3. G includes ODP categories
4. Y uses Y categories
5. Y results have Y! titles and descriptions if they are in the Y! directory
6. Y! has overture
7. G! has adwords
8. Y results are missing the indented G results

I am sure they are others.

And i would tend to agree with opinions around here that the default SERPs may not be final (though permamance of course is illusory in this business) and is odds on to change in the future to include results from other databases.

jk3210

7:43 pm on Oct 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Quinn -
>>I guess the point is that there is no Yahoo bonus for PR, the Yahoo directory page just has many characteristics of a valuable page to receive a link from as far as PR is concerned. <<

I agree 100%.

My point, (though I didn't express it very well) is that a typical affiliate site guy is very limited when he goes looking to increase his PR. The easiest and quickest way is through Yahoo's Express Submit.

jk3210

7:48 pm on Oct 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>Yahoo directory listings are NOT a must for good page rank. I have a site that is two months old, is NOT, I repeat NOT, listed in Yahoo and it is currently PR6. Enough said. <<

Umm...not really.

How do you know what the PR would be WITH a Yahoo listing?

gsmitchell

8:55 pm on Oct 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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<1. Google loads faster
2. Yahoo has lots of ads
3. G includes ODP categories
4. Y uses Y categories
5. Y results have Y! titles and descriptions if they are in the Y! directory
6. Y! has overture
7. G! has adwords
8. Y results are missing the indented G results >

chiyo,

Take away the Overture results from Y! and the Adwords from Google and for every search I have tried for the most important keywords (10 so far!)on Yahoo, Google, and Aol the results have been IDENTICAL!

Quinn

9:05 pm on Oct 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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jk3210 - "My point, (though I didn't express it very well) is that a typical affiliate site guy is very limited when he goes looking to increase his PR. The easiest and quickest way is through Yahoo's Express Submit."

Very true.

The Yahoo Directory was great and cheap traffic for many small affiliates and Mom and Pop operations without the money for SEO or research. I suppose the characteristics that made the Directory easy to get into also created an atmosphere ripe for abuse.

hazardtomyself

5:14 pm on Oct 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>> My latest suggestion to Yahoo! <<<

Have the results page look like this:

1. Sponsored listings
site 1
site 2
site 3

2. Directory Listings
site 1
site 2
site 3
site 4
site 5

3. Web Matches
site 1
site 2
etc.

This way those who have good Y! listings but not google listings are not pissed off and do renew the $299/yr and at the same time delivering G results...Everyone is happy?