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Great in Google - Banned by Yahoo

What is the Next Step?

         

joker197cinque

2:44 pm on Jan 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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About a year ago my site was indexed in Yahoo very well.

Lots of pages were in first position almost every keywords I wanted to be.

Now (better 1 year ago) Yahoo simply deleted my domain pages from its index.

So, if I try to: site:myolddomain.com I obtain only 1 result for home page.

When I try to obtain "More from this site" I obtain only the same one result.

I think I am banned but this domain rules in google for example and it respects all guidelines for slurp. This is why I don't know what is better

1) Try to be re-indexed in Yahoo (but how? I already tried to email them without luck.)

2) Start a new domain (in this case, can you point me to best way to start?)

Any help MUCH MUCH appreciated.

Best Regards.

Fabri.

martinibuster

3:55 pm on Jan 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You don't mention why your site was banned from Yahoo.
Anything aggressive in your backlinks?
Crosslinking?
Anything?

joker197cinque

4:24 pm on Jan 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Should sound strange but we didn't investigate the reason too much, 1 year ago.

I guess because of a domain that we wanted to change and redirecting issues. I guess.

SincerelySandy

6:22 pm on Jan 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have had a couple sites banned in yahoo as well. I did not try to change the sites to make yahoo happy although I have had at least one site relisted in yahoo after removing certain links on my site.
Anyway, one site in particular was a good money maker and had great positions in all the SE's, including yahoo. Then one day it was removed from yahoo, but it continues to do well in google and msn. Rather than risking my good positions in the other SE's just to make yahoo happy, I copied the entire site, changed a few things on it that I thought might be what yahoo had a problem with, then I put it up under a new domain name. I ban all the other SE's from indexing the new site in the robots.txt and in the meta tags.
The site I did this with brought in enough revenue from yahoo searches to justify the small amount of time it took me to do this. If the site was not making decent money in yahoo, I certainly would not have wasted my time, and would have been content with my traffic from the other SE's.

mopek

8:57 pm on Jan 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have had at least one site relisted in yahoo after removing certain links on my site.

What type of links?

The same thing has happened to me and a few other friends' sites with no known reason.

There are lots of theories and the strongest seem to be either 1- Too many similar pages or 2- Heavy Cross-Linking?

Any more ideas?

[edited by: martinibuster at 9:35 pm (utc) on Jan. 26, 2006]
[edit reason] Fixed style codes. [/edit]

martinibuster

9:40 pm on Jan 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I guess because of a domain that we wanted to change and redirecting issues.

Before embarking on a plan for getting the site back in Yahoo in addition to keep Google serps safe, it's probably a good idea to know why your site was bumped out of Yahoo.

As far as redirects go, you may want to make sure that they are working properly, as I've heard that keeping that area simple is the way to go with Yahoo. The less redirecting and what-not the better.

[edited by: martinibuster at 11:50 pm (utc) on Jan. 26, 2006]

randle

11:45 pm on Jan 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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to know why your site was bumped out of Yahoo.

There are an awful lot of well meaning people, with quality sites that would add value to the Yahoo user experience, that are dying to know the answer to this question.

iblaine

12:18 am on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Clean up your site, completely, then do paid inclusion through positiontech. It may not guarantee inclusion but it will prompt a manual review by yahoo.

joker197cinque

7:57 am on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Actual situation is that I have the "good" domain that has no links towards other domains but 3-4.

Other domains (20-30) have heavy linking towards good-domain.

The strange thing is that some "other" domains are in 1st position in yahoo search.

Do you suggest to remove all those links?

And what about othe se, google for example? Will I be penalised of this?

Or is it better to start with a new domain only for slurp?

:-\

Regards.

joker197cinque

8:09 am on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Please, take a look to web logs of my server:


2006-01-30 00:03:56 68.142.250.200 - GET /index.asp 500 0 HTTP/1.0 Mozilla/5.0+(compatible;+Yahoo!+Slurp;+http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/slurp) -

Other SE report correct 200 status.

What can I do to understand why slurp goes in error in a page that IS NOT in error?

Regards and thank you.

randle

3:29 pm on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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then do paid inclusion through positiontech

Gave it a shot, but now I'm out $100 and the site was rejected. I just absolutely don't get why this is happening and why this issue can't be solved.

dclick

5:09 pm on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Man.. what a ripoff. Im sorry Randle.

Imagine if you went to the Doctor.. you are not feeling well. The doctor takes your $100 and refuses to tell you whats wrong,despite knowing and kicks you out to the curb.

That is a scam and fraud as far as im concerned.

Yahoo is not webmaster or even business friendly by any stretch.

iblaine

6:40 pm on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Call up positiontech, complain loudly and try to pry information from them. You were not accepted for a reason. Yahoo has a bug report with information about your site and penalties...however Yahoo many not communicate this to positiontech other than to say yes or no.

joker197cinque

8:55 am on Feb 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Up.

Please, take a look to web logs of my server:


2006-01-30 00:03:56 68.142.250.200 - GET /index.asp 500 0 HTTP/1.0 Mozilla/5.0+(compatible;+Yahoo!+Slurp;+http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/slurp) -

Other SE report correct 200 status.

What can I do to understand why slurp goes in error in a page that IS NOT in error?

Regards and thank you.

Webdetective

3:37 pm on Feb 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm trying to figure out what's up with Yahoo and my site. I don't know if it's banned or not. I was doing ok 6 months ago until a short time after I deleted hundreds of directory style script-generated pages from my site. A yahoo site: search still shows 6 months later most of the non-existent pages are still in their cache. Slurp! is only spidering and caching my homepage, and I am getting no traffic from yahoo. Should I assume I am banned and send Yahoo a reinclusion request?

I have been using simple .htaccess redirects to my affiliate links ie: Redirect /order http:..affiliatelink... for years, and I now have these excluded in robots.txt for all useragents, and I recently tried adding the robots="no-follow" tag to my actual affiliate links. I am also using a canonical redirect from the non "www" version to the "www" version of my domain.

RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^domain...\.com$ [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ [domain...com...] [R=301,L]

I am currently doing fair on MSN and getting a little from Google, nothing from Yahoo.

abates

9:34 pm on Feb 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Other SE report correct 200 status.

What can I do to understand why slurp goes in error in a page that IS NOT in error?

Joker: Who wrote the asp script that you're using on your site? Is it a package you've installed?

A response 500 indicates that the script is not executing properly. If it's only happening with the Slurp spider, then it is likely there's something about Slurp which is either tripping a bug or causing your script to crash.

As your site's disppeared from Yahoo, it looks like all of your pages (I assume they're all asp?) are having the same problem, so I would guess from that that the problem is in code which is common to all of your scripts.

If the scripts you're running are a 3rd-party package, your best bet is to visit their web site and see if they provide support, and/or do a search and see if anyone else is having the same problem.

sachac

10:59 pm on Feb 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"Gave it a shot, but now I'm out $100 and the site was rejected".

Same thing happened to me with Site Match. This is pure unadulterated fraud so I contacted my credit card company and Yahoo had to reverse the charges. Don't let them get away with this crap.

joker197cinque

7:42 am on Feb 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Who wrote the asp script that you're using on your site? Is it a package you've installed?

I wrote almost ALL asp code and for what I can see it works fine!

I tried also to impersonate Slurp as user agent and perfectly can view pages.

Is it possible that Yahoo "asks" me page bad way in http headers? I'm going to investigate this!

F.

abates

9:26 pm on Feb 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, given it works fine when you use Yahoo's user agent, there must be something else Slurp is doing (maybe the Accept header?) to cause the 500 return code...

joker197cinque

8:56 am on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Do you think that with this code:


msg = "<TABLE BORDER='1'>"
msg = msg & "<TR><TD><B>Server Variable</B></TD><TD><B>Value</B></TD></TR>"

For Each strKey In Request.ServerVariables

msg = msg & "<TR><TD>" & strKey & "</TD><TD>" & Request.ServerVariables(strKey) & "</TD></TR>"

next

msg = msg & "</TABLE>"

I can obtain good informations?

Regards.

F.

abates

9:08 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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That could help (caveat: I don't know anything about asp :)

I would suggest detecting when the user-agent is Slurp and writing the request variables to a text file. You should then be able to see if there's anything odd in the request that would trigger something in your script.