Yahoo rank improvement?

How to rank well on yahoo?

[water2filter]

Actually now yahoo's importance become more.and for the webmaster,it is also important to get good rank on yahoo and google. But there are many sites which rank on google better,however bad on yahoo.

Is there anyway to improve this?

[for_si2003]

I think that the basic way both of them work is same.

[travelin cat]

I don't believe for a second that the basic way they work is the same.

We have excellent rankings in Google, and almost nothing at all in Yahoo. Our site is 11 years old and has always done well in Google which accounts for 70% of our traffic, Yahoo is 4%.

There are certain key phrases (things that are our core business) that we rank very well for in both engines. But long tail phrases and closely related phrases are nowhere in Yahoo.

This may have something to do with the fact that Yahoo competes with us in our sector and Google does not, but this just strengthens the theory that they are very dissimilar.

[aburda]

I'm baffled by Yahoo. I have exactly the same problem (or even worse) I'm getting 90% of my clicks from Google. We are primarily business related keywords and doing an informal "wander around people's offices" survey I know there are lots of potential customers using Yahoo. I just can't figure out why I never get more than 1% of my clicks from there.

Aaron

[tdurham]

Very same problem with us. And it has been like this for a long time. In order for us to survive and thrive, I must get good rankings in Yahoo. I hope someone here can give some good advice, if nothing else, on where to go to get the good advise :0

Tim D.

[editsha]

I have 6 e-sites which have a good SERP listing in Google and Yahoo both, but I agree they work differently.
Yahoo for me is quite unstable right now as I see the ranking fluctuating on a daily basis.

Some basic things which you might need to do differently is
-To index you site regularly open a yahoo site explorer a/c
-Use of urllist.txt and robot.txt
-Make your presence felt in yahoo other services like (newsletter etc.)

[nmottet]

Editsha,
What's a "yahoo site explorer a/c"

and what did you mean by:
Make your presence felt in yahoo other services like (newsletter etc.)

[malcolmcroucher]

Hi ,

How do you get a yahoo site explorer account ?

Regards

Malcolm

[Rsssingh]

Hi,

You can simply open yahoo site explore(http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/)

Login with your yahoo ID and add & explore your website.

[joost]

I have 9 sites in Site Explorer a/c since about 4 months now, and I have not seen any improvement on any site. Hardly any Yahoo visitors.

Which other Yahoo service would you recommend to improve visibility in Yahoo?

[shortbus1662]

you guys are writing exactly the problems I'm having.

Ranking in the top five for highly competitive terms in google and nowhwere to be found in yahoo.

[sandyk20]

We are sailing on the same boat. We used to get good traffic from yahoo for 1 of our site and very less from google.. But today majority comes from google, wearas from yahoo less then 1% of traffic which comes from google.

We rank on top for our domain name in google but yahoo wont even list our domain in first results. Domain is 4 years old now.

[editsha]

Hi All,

Was on leave so sorry for a delay reply ,

Yahoo site explorer tool : is like google/ msn webmster tool, it allows you to o bulk submission etc.. Though its a long way for it to match with google.

url to access this :https://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/mysites

In Yahoo Japan we use yahoo newsleter, blog and BBS in taiwan.

[tangor]

Yahoo got dumped a few years back for excessive indexing 1,000 pages 400 times a week, week after week, for two years. Tried robots.txt to slow 'em down. That didn't work so .htaccess... and I STILL rank #1 in Y...what can I say, I have a niche few have and Y keeps coming via sneakybot. At least the bandwidth these days is reasonable.

Just a different point of view.

[Rsssingh]

Hi Joost,

One possible reason can be indexing problem with your website by yahoo.
Just check how many pages are indexed by yahoo.
If there is huge difference between number of webpages(actual and indexed by yahoo), then you have to solve indexing problem first.

[joost]

Thank you very much, Rsssingh

Indeed I have an indexing problem. But that is only part of the problem. Some sites are indexed in Yahoo, others are not.

But visitor data does not correspond with that:
site 1: fully indexed, but 0% Yahoo visitors in stats
site 2: only front page in index, 0% Yahoo visitors in stats
site 3: fully indexed, 0% visitors (but non-English, so understandable)
site 4: same as 3
site 5: same as 3 and 4, but on different server as other sites
site 6: fully indexed, gets 70% of traffic from Yahoo
site 7: only front page indexed, no Yahoo traffic
site 8: fully indexed, only 3% yahoo traffic
site 9: only front page indexed, no Yahoo traffic. Sits on different server then the rest.

The only things site 6 (with 70% Yahoo traffic) has different from all the others are these meta tags (that all the other sites don't have):
<meta name="revisit-after" content="5">
<meta name="Language" content="en">
<meta name="distribution" content="Global">

All sites do reasonably to very well in Google and MSN/Live. Site age is between 2 and 9 years.

I have resubmitted the sites that don't rank with Yahoo once a week over the last 4 weeks now: no result.

[joost]

Thank you very much, Rsssingh

Indeed I have an indexing problem. But that is only part of the problem. Some sites are indexed in Yahoo, others are not.

But visitor data does not correspond with that:
site 1: fully indexed, but 0% Yahoo visitors in stats
site 2: only front page in index, 0% Yahoo visitors in stats
site 3: fully indexed, 0% visitors (but non-English, so understandable)
site 4: same as 3
site 5: same as 3 and 4, but on different server as other sites
site 6: fully indexed, gets 70% of traffic from Yahoo
site 7: only front page indexed, no Yahoo traffic
site 8: fully indexed, only 3% yahoo traffic
site 9: only front page indexed, no Yahoo traffic. Sits on different server then the rest.

The only things site 6 (with 70% Yahoo traffic) has different from all the others are these meta tags (that all the other sites don't have):
<meta name="revisit-after" content="5">
<meta name="Language" content="en">
<meta name="distribution" content="Global">

All sites do reasonably to very well in Google and MSN/Live. Site age is between 2 and 9 years.

I have resubmitted the sites that don't rank with Yahoo once a week over the last 4 weeks now: no result.

[nicknick]

if your site is authenticated but not in the yahoo directory will you still get included in the yahoo results ?

[editsha]

yes nick it will

[Rsssingh]

Hi Joost,

Create XML sitemaps for all the sites and submit those to yahoo, will solve indexing problem and will improve traffic.

[sandyk20]

We are doing everything mentioned above but not successful.

[joost]

I am sorry I was not clear about that, Rsssingh, all sites have xml sitemaps, I have resubmitted them to Yahoo once a week over the last 4 weeks, but no result

[editsha]

Seee two problems been addressed 1) the site been not indexed 2) site not ranked in SERP / Not generating traffic.
Though both are related its diffrent.

1)the site to be indexed
Set of things which will help you get your site indexed

- Create Sitemap.xml and robot.txt

- Create a sitexplorer a/c and submit you sitemap.xml into it

- Once submitted try changing the size of the page on a daily bases (this can be content changes or code changes)

- Try linking the mentioned page from other websites which is regularly indexed.

Set of things which will help you optimize your page (which will help you gain SERP ranking)

- Identify related keyword and use semantic content to promote those keywords

- Cross check the keywords by putting in Google and you could see your competitor

- Try using the traditional method (Meta tags, Meta Keywords and Meta description)

- Note: check of character limit for all the above)

- Segregate you page into H1, H2 and H3, stop at H3.

- Cross check the code and try getting the H1 in the main table and should not be below 12 lines of code.

- Lastly get you page W3C certified, this will assure you of search robot indexing your page fully

Note: we have our own perceptions but cross check before you practice.

[sandyk20]

editsha all the points have been double checked, but still no improvements since late 2005 !

[jcrasco]

We use paid inclusion to help clients rank well in Yahoo. Unfortunately they changed their program and you only have two options: Basic, where you list 6 URLs, and Pro, which is expensive (but worth it for large sites). We do have one client who is currently very frustrated with their results via Pro, but that may be a result of the algo change. Also, service is via Position Tech, which is at one remove from Yahoo.