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December 1, 2007: Yahoo Update

   
5:02 pm on Dec 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Anyone else seeing changes today?

No weather report on the yahoo search blog yet, but I just noticed a big jump in 2 of my sites today.

12:41 pm on Dec 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I thought I started to see an update yesterday.
5:05 pm on Dec 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I thought I started to see an update yesterday

Me too. The changes I saw yesterday are gone, and has now reverted back exactly as before.

5:52 am on Dec 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Observing lots of changes in Yahoo

Rankings have started to disappear :(

5:53 am on Dec 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Does anyone know whats up with Yahoo.

Have they started to revise their algorithm?

1:13 pm on Dec 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Something's changed again around Monday.
10:22 pm on Dec 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

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"Have they started to revise their algorithm? "

I believe technically they would have had to have had an algorithm before it can be said one has changed.

"Show a random collection of crap" is not an algorithm...

6:57 am on Dec 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I believe technically they would have had to have had an algorithm before it can be said one has changed.

"Show a random collection of crap" is not an algorithm...

Couldn't agree with you more!

But to answer the Yahoo update questions....A weather report exists...

[ysearchblog.com...]

[edited by: encyclo at 2:22 pm (utc) on Dec. 8, 2007]
[edit reason] fixed link [/edit]

1:37 pm on Dec 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

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<Show a random collection of crap" is not an algorithm... >

Seems like that lately but also seems like they are really working at making it better. I am hoping they are just ever fluxing a bit like G and will settle again.
I got email responses from both MS and Yahoo regarding the dismal ranking in their serps, they both say check that i am within webmaster guidlines.
Aaaaaugggghhhhhh!
Google, Yahoo and MSLive all set these guidlines, we get sucked into trying to comply, get bounced into the dark end of the serps and then almost all top ten have titles like Buy widget/Free Widget/New Widget/Heres another ^%$@@ Widget/
I mean repeat keywords like 4 times in title and that is within guidlines? Ok, back to grey hat.

The other thing is they may be fighting an ongoing battle detecting the redirects,cloaking,link farms,DNS poisoning, etc....so even though they improve there is and endless supply of spaggetti being tossed at the wall.

5:23 pm on Dec 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Too much importance being placed on domain name. Want to reduce spam? Make this a negative, not a positive.
2:08 pm on Dec 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Wow....those serps are pretty ugly.

They do, however, pretty much outline how to get to the top 10 if you are selling pretty much anything...

1. Have an ebay store (ebay has GOT to be paying these engines for all this organic traffic). Even their search queries are showing up.

2. Create hundreds/thousands of splogs with links back to your site (one competitor has over 10000 fake blogs - explains how he came from no where to #1 in 3 months time)

3. Have a site that has said "?hAcKed!?@" on it's main page for the last year - yet STILL ranks in the top 10.

4. Be a comparision shopping engine (again - these guys have GOT to be paying for these kinds of listings).

5. Use rpetty much all the old tired/outdated spam SEO that Google no longer falls for ;-)

8:25 pm on Dec 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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LMAO, they are the worst search engine I have ever seen. Absolutely amazing how they can KEEP getting worse and worse. Poor Yahoo, they just cannot get it. It seriously looks like a 3 year old kid threw Yahoo's results together...
8:49 pm on Dec 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Nuts....Tons of spammed out .edu sites still dominating listings.
9:14 pm on Dec 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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It seems that if you do a search in the us from any country search engine.
like yahoo.ca or yahoo.co.jp you get much better results. Only the US search is screwed up. Is this because they want people to advertise in the us so results are bad?
9:32 pm on Dec 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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4. Be a comparision shopping engine (again - these guys have GOT to be paying for these kinds of listings).

Funny thing is - they probably are. Examine the click-through URL's, and if they contain rdrw1.yahoo.com or rdre1.yahoo.com, they're Yahoo Search Submit Pro listings. If not, they're plain old natural listings.

9:57 pm on Dec 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Examine the click-through URL's, and if they contain rdrw1.yahoo.com or rdre1.yahoo.com, they're Yahoo Search Submit Pro listings.

AHA! That's a good point right there! That makes them look so bad I think. No wonder, that does make sense now! They'll die like that, I betchya any money that Yahoo will just keep going down with sleezy methods like that. Users don't know what's paid and what's not...that will bite them in the rear, mark my words on that one! People simply will switch because there is no trust and the results SUCK. Heck yea, eBay can rule Yahoo as they have the $$$ to do so. Users are sick of ads now...shoving them up there butt on the sly isn't going to help Yahoo's already-waning reputation. I know they've been doing that for a while, but man they SUCK...and that explains it IMHO.

10:39 pm on Dec 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Wow! I was 1st page for 7 years on a site I watch for a biggy keyword... Now page 3... I'm still getting quit a few keyword combination page 1 results for this site but looks pretty bad. Sponsored comcast search pages are beating me now and also looks like some niche areas are totally hand edited too. Looks very ugly for me.
4:28 am on Dec 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Webwise,

It's really the old Inktomi program (used to power MSN & other engines). Yahoo acquired Inktomi, with this program along with it. The first we saw of it on Yahoo was maybe mid to late 2003.

2:00 pm on Dec 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Google-enables users to search the web

Yahoo- The worlds most visited home page

Live Search-Find exactly what you are looking for – FAST!

Intersting that Yahoo describes themselves this way.
Live Search is using the term fast fairly loosely.

2:44 pm on Dec 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I've been watching this for the past few years now and dont understand why every holiday season Yahoo loads up the first page of SERP with Garbage and then things return to normal after the season is over. I mean we have TECHNORATI ranking in top 10 for the most important keyword phrase in our niche. and our niche has got nothing to do with any innovations for the past 2000 years.

Do you believe in Duplicate Content penalty and Yahoo. I don't. 1 Site has 3 domains pointing to the same exact content. All indexed in Yahoo. All 3 domains rank randomly.

I have a keyword reach domain that outranks my main site for the most important keyword phase. That site has 1 page for the past 3 years.

No?, Really.

3:47 pm on Dec 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I have been going through hell with yahoo. They do seem to do this every holiday season, and I end up paying a lot of money for their ppc.

I went from the #5 spot on the first page one evening, to #44 spot on page 5, for no apparent reason.

Most of my competitors are in the same spot, but a few went south with me.

Hope after the update, I go back to where I was.

8:37 pm on Dec 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I think the easiest solution is to simply exclude any site that has more than one adsense code per page. That way you simply ignore the scrappers, stealers, spammers, squaters, domainers and everyone else profiting off googles lax controls of adsense.

Without monetization the "Crap" will just die off and no search engine will have to deal with it.

11:54 pm on Dec 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Both Yahoo and Google do the holiday shuffle just before Christmas. I just wonder how many spy's because when Google launches a new way to search the web, Yahoo say's they have something similar. ?
5:45 am on Dec 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Haha ya'll are so funny. They are killing the spammers by letting us get right to the top - That is what is going on and I assure you I am right. Normally I only have 60-70 of the top 100 serps in the markets I pursue - But all of a sudden I am one through 95. Been here done this - this is the logical approach to kill the enemy - and if you think about for just a moment - you will see how much sense it makes for them to use that strategy - what other strategy could be better - A plain ol' ordinary mouse trap, though - I'll be back!
6:19 am on Dec 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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To better carify - in the mainstream markets - they are lining up the spammers 3 thru 97 - and giving ebay 2 of the top 3 - with the third going to a random desrver. This way they are adding fuel to the ebay advertising issue revolving around who get the bigger share of the ebay dollars betwwen Google and Yahoo. If you don't think I'm right - you're wrong.

Then they shall execute 3 thru 97 after they show Ebay a great Holiday Season. This particular tactic covers two bases - Identify the spammers - kill them thoroughly - send Ebay a higher than normal amount of visitors - but Ebay probably won't know how they did it - except that they will be thankful and award a bigger slice to Yahoo and see if they can continue to perform for them well - but they won't be able to - but it will make them shine for a while - and 45 days after Dec 25 you will see some Yahoo Directors selling some chunks of stock to capitalize on the short-term, in fear that the long-term may not be as flowery - but I'm not saying they are going to unload all - but I want to write this here so that we see just what happens.

12:34 pm on Dec 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I'm with Stump on this one. I think Yahoo does pop the spammers to the top for a couple of days to clean them out. We always take a small hit (10% decrease in referrals) right after an update is announced, only to come back even stronger about a week later.
2:01 pm on Dec 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Yahoo never got search right burning hundreds of millions of dollars. Yahoo, I beg you, please just go back to Google search. Everyone will be happy and your shareholders will make a lot more money.
5:01 pm on Dec 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

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"and I end up paying a lot of money for their ppc"

What are your results? Has that paid off for you, or have you just been burning money while Yahoo posts your adds on their (cough cough) quality partner sites?

5:06 am on Dec 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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yahoo search rubbish yes there is an update my site was jumped into top ten of yahoo but now it has gone where it was what an update:)
12:27 am on Dec 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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SCHWAH!

We recently redesigned a site, went from tabled layout to table-less. Not that this had anything to do with it.

Dropped to #26 last month, previously #6 for our major keyword combo.

Today we're #3 page one, and several other suffering keywords are happily on page two. No spam tactics, just customer-designed content.

Tomorrow, who knows.

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