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Google is so obviously hacking their results by prioritizing "authority" sites that monopolize the listings. Aside from them, you have the over-optimized spam sites. If you want a taste of where Google is, pop over to the Google forum to see their ranting and raving.
This update has very seriously de-prioritized keywords in urls and I think that's an awesome move. As well, they have de-prioritized the age of a site being a relevent factor, which is one of the largest and most glaring errors that Google has been making since the IPO.
My guess is that people who are getting pulverized by the update expect the engine to remain static like Google, prioritizing old over new. I applaud and welcome the elimination of that dogma.
And the concept that Yahoo and MSN will lose visitors is ludicrous. They, unlike Google, have the capacity to risk listings through improvement. Google can't. Saying Yahoo will lose visitors to Google is like saying a company that is more innovative will lose to a static one.
1. positions 1 and 3 are from the same site, I haven't seen them in years on any search engine. Possibly because of the mass of key phrase links at the footer of each page. 32 key phrase links covering everything from soup to nuts each linked to an information page on every footer.
2. position 12 a free forum host (let's call it example.com) that has none of the keywords on the page at all that is linked from the search results. The only reason I can think they would be listed is they have a lot of links back to their site from other free4meforum.com sites with domain names such as keyphrase.example.com and keyphrase34.example.com.com etc.
[edited by: martinibuster at 9:01 pm (utc) on Dec. 14, 2006]
[edit reason] The Masters of the Internet Created Example.com for Examples. ;) [/edit]
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Am I the only one who likes to see fluid results?
As long as it's not diarrhea ;)
Many other sites are showing old URLs instead of the 301 destination.
Search the Directory choice seems to have been removed from the default search choices, although I saw it appear on the searches I have bookmarked.
I think Yahoo is missing a major marketing opportunity. This could be a TV commercial:
"Are you looking for NEW sites when you do a search? Yahoo Search adds new sites every day, unlike you-know-who. Why go for stale search results? Get fresh! Try Yahoo Search." (Imagine the visuals you could put to use here.)
Enough stuff like that could inspire Google to get off its butt.
Are you reading this, Yahoo?
However, over the last couple of years i have posted the following about Yahoo search in this thread and i will post it again:-
"I tend to find that Yahoo tweaks its algo every quarter to ensure that no one site will rank for its keywords all year round. One quarter you may find all in anchor, low density works, next quarter higher density, next keyword in url, next no keyword in url etc etc, etc.
I.e i think they tweak the algo on an ongoing basis in the hope that those sites no longer ranking will buy adwords off them to make up the short fall. The tweaks are designed so that no one site will keep ranking. Just by turning the density knob up or down for a page that in itself would change the serps massively, likewise changing sites value according to inbounds etc etc, obviously they tweak other factors in the mix but it all adds up to changing the serps for Yahoos own financial gain"
I dont see any issue with this except it is nice from a webmasters point of view to get some stability in the Yahoo index but Yahoo is an advertising giant like google and its not about giving you traffic but more about you buying traffic!
If you came out of this one well enjoy it whilst it lasts, if you didnt dont worry about it, next few updats you will be back in favour and todays winners will be where you are today.
[edited by: Powdork at 6:10 pm (utc) on Dec. 16, 2006]
[edited by: Galtego at 1:07 am (utc) on Dec. 17, 2006]
Results are so Pathetic.
It seems that they have given less priority to keywords (or keyword phrase) in source code. My site was doing good before this update(was in top10). But now, Its being pushed after 100+. Strange thing isn't it? First two pages are showing absolutely crappy results. I have found one relevant site at 19th position. While checking the source code, I found that main keyword repeated (in body part) is 50% less then what I had in my site when it was enjoying the decent ranking before this update.
In my field, If I have to buy something, then there is nothing in top 10 organic results then PPC ads flashing in upper and right side.
Number of pages indexed also went down drastically.
As far as I think, this update has affected the sites with high incoming links(especially on keywords).
It's not that most of the websites are spam - actually we see less spam than ever in our industry, but
A bunch of unrelated websites!
Google is ranking for a keyword they have nothing to do with...
Plus, a lot of hacked websites, the one Google is fighting right now - they are all in yahoo...
I have found Y! search more relevant to G for a long time now - so, I normally start a search at Y! and when I am not happy with Y! serps I revert to G in hopes I may find there what I am looking for, only to find the situation there even more disappointing.
both Y! and G have a long way to go, but Y! has nothing to gain emulating G.
G has attained a momentum from the time it actually provided results superior to any other SE, and this momentum is difficult to break. but their growth has stalled, not only because the times of actual superiority are long gone but also because their present arrogance has blinded them to the fact that their serps are constantly deteriorating. G may (temporarily) do whatever they please, based on the attained momentum. but not for much longer, believe me.
on the other hand, Y! have to fight for position - and this has benefited them greatly: it has forced them to gradually improve their relevancy, in the meantime surpassing G in this respect. they have been very wise not to follow G policies, especially such meaningless notions as favouring old/stale content over fresh content as is the case with G.
while Y! serps still leave a lot to be desired, they are fresher, more relevant and very much on the right track.
On the same terms G comes out one or two places lower (and in two cases beaten by links to my site!) but still brings in the lion's share of search engine traffic.