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Switched my default search to Y!

         

bakedjake

5:35 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've been debating this for a while, since I'm in the "Yahoo! has better results right now" camp, but I finally switched my default search engine in Opera to Yahoo! this morning.

I was looking for some information on a problem I was having with my iPAQ. I'm a fairly intelligent searcher - I know how to search quickly, and what to look for. I spent almost 15 minutes on Google looking this morning - couldn't find anything. Went to Yahoo!, boom. Second result, page one. Less than 10 seconds.

The problem? It's a new problem for new iPAQs dealing with new software. It was strictly a "we got it indexed faster than they did" type thing for Yahoo!.

But that's what I need a lot of times. So I've switched to Yahoo!.

paybacksa

5:40 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So true... I also spend more than half my search efforts on yahoo these days... so much less spammy than Google in my experience.

I wish Google would add a usability check for directory sites -- if they aren't usable, they should lose SERP position.

Are we going to see a bunch of really clever, artful "I switched" commercials now like we get from Apple fans? I love those spots...

mikeD

5:43 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Most people posting on this board seem to be rating Yahoo better than Google from the webmaster point of view. Because let's be fair, it's very easy to spam.

I mean to begin with the Yahoo results page is worse from a users point of view. The SPONSORED RESULTS links take up the complate centre section of my 17 inch monitor. Whereas as with Google the actual results are located at this spot on the screen.

Just little things like this show me where Yahoo's heart lays. MONEY

I wish Google would add a usability check for directory sites -- if they aren't usable, they should lose SERP position.

This isn't a search engines job, usability is in the eye of the beholder. We all know how Dmoz opinions change from editor to editor. Wouldn't like to see search engine editor's with this power.

bakedjake

5:54 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi mikeD -

I know you've been down on Yahoo! lately. With all due respect, for once, I'm not talking about real world users. I'm talking about myself. I'm not stupid - I know how to search around spam, and I know exactly what to look for when it comes to SERPs (I do something similiar for a living, or something).

I need current information quickly. The place for current information is forums (with blogs coming in second place). I don't track many forums besides this one because of time constraints, so I can't sit there and read forums all day.

I'm giving a thumbs up to Yahoo! for getting this information quickly. I'm talking about posts made less than 48 hours ago appearing in SERPs. I'm just not seeing that anymore with Google.

mikeD

6:24 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am ranking well in Yahoo, so that isn't the reason why I am criticising Yahoo. For commercial searches I am seeing quite a bit of spam which wouldn't get past the Google filter. Wish I could post the examples here.

Plus I have a new site with high Google pr and fully ranked in Google, but Yahoo just won't seem to index it. Haven't a clue why, the site is 100% clean.

Even though Yahoo does well when searching for a brand name, because the top return is usually always the manufactuerers site. But the 2nd results etc is usually spam where the site has the brand name in it's main url.

My main worry is if Yahoo takes over Google as the main search engine. I just wouldn't trust them not to make it 100% commercial and ppc. Even though they are trying to beat Google at it's own game at the moment, if they beat them I am sure they would revert to type. Making money.

2_much

6:39 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Me too BakedJake.

I'd been splitting searches for the past month but Yahoo's winning more and more so now I go to Yahoo first.

caveman

6:51 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>For commercial searches I am seeing quite a bit of spam which wouldn't get past the Google filter.

<Caveman gets back up off the floor.>

We must be looking in different places. G's current combo of:
1) spammy pages, and,
2) pages that are technically related to search terms without being truly relevant or useful...
makes them less useful overall they've ever been.

That, as opposed to Y, which also has spammy pages just like G, but actually combines them with many other pages that are related to the searches being performed.

Y's misleading statements and more commercially oriented approach may annoy me, but their SERP's in the hundreds of categories we participate in are, overall, slightly more useful right now.

Personally, I hope G figures this out. Professionally, I think that G has made *editorial* and *philosophical* decisions that will keep their SERP's weak for some time.

mayor

8:35 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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bakedjake >> I've been debating this for a while

Me too, and I just switched. Yahoo results are as good, or even better since the Ides of March, so I finally did it.

And lets face it folks, Yahoo is buttering my bread these days so I'm going to promote them.

webdevjim

8:42 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hey,
Is it possible google is just taking this to the next level.

NEW MOTTO: We are the search engine that finds the best search engines on the net.

:-)

MarshallClark

3:38 am on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)



I've been a very outspoken fan of Google for years now - recommending it to all my friends as the best way to find info online. I've worked as a professional researcher and so I know how to search intelligently, but yesterday I spent 30 minutes on Google trying to find specific information on the Kazaa hash exploit being used by the RIAA to flood the FastTrack network with broken files.

Remebering all of the conversations here about the new Yahoo results I bounced over there to give it a try. Found what I was looking for in less than 5 minutes. I like Google as a company and everyone I've ever met that works there has been great, but they've got some competition now from Yahoo and I hope they get this new algorithm straightened out before they lose their advantage.

Scarecrow

4:12 am on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yahoo Watch has an ad-free proxy that shows the top 100 Yahoo and top 100 Google results simultaneously. There are huge differences between the results for most of the searches I've done. But it's not a question of which is better, as both sets of results have spam and both have some good stuff that the other missed. It really depends on your keywords.

I think generic web search will have to give way to niche engines. Ranking is just too variable when you have tens of thousands pages coming up for most searches.

pmac

4:55 am on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yup, Y! is minty fresh.

MarkHutch

5:04 am on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I must be missing something here. When I search MSN I'm getting the same results as Yahoo. I'm sure there are differences in various keyword searches, but I've yet to find them. (other than the paid listings)

4eyes

5:10 am on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I can't believe some of the comments in this thread.

Google is far easier to spam than Yahoo, as the results clearly show.

The reason why many of us are switching to Yahoo is that the Google results are currently sinking under the weight of affiliate 'review' sites and pseudo directories.

rogerd

5:12 am on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I just switched one of my PCs to ATW a couple of weeks ago... decent results, I guess now I'll see how Yahoo does. Yahoo seems to love many of my sites, so I'm sure I'll be happy with their SERPs. ;)

skipfactor

5:29 am on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>Yup, Y! is minty fresh.

I'm still seeing >6-month old 301s that G has long since forgotten about.

New-to-the-new Yahoo sites that also seem to have been caught up in the slower Google crawling phenomena, still have way more pages indexed in Google than the typical (also manually submitted) index that just shows up in Y!

Minty fresh, no. Looking better than expected, sort of.

Additionally, Y! SERP pages continue (since the switch) to show single domains 4 times on a single SERP page (2 for www, 2 for root in some instances).

pmac

5:35 am on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What I see is new well linked sites rank far quicker in Y! than Google at the moment. I don't dispute the 301 problem, in fact neither does Y!. For most of the areas I watch, Y! is fresher.

skipfactor

5:49 am on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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That's encouraging, seriously

>>I don't dispute the 301 problem, in fact neither does Y!

As long as I can kill them before I die.