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midi25

5:23 pm on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi i have just got hold of SQL2000 Ent Edition. There are 2 programs on there Developer & Enterprise. I want to use this on my local pc first. I am using Win98se and would like to use PWS if possible. When i am in the MMC i cannot create a connection using my local pc name. Should i use delveloper of enterprise on my machine and can you connect and create databases using PWS as your server. Once i have finished my testing phase i will upload to my server which is SQL compatable.

please help

DaveAtIFG

12:57 am on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Unfortunately, I can't help you midi25, except to "float your post," bring it to the top of the list to attract some attention. Can anyone offer any useful advice?? Help!

ralnikov

2:18 pm on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Did you open SQL Server Enterprise Manager and could you connect to server by this utility? AFAIK you cannot use Enterprise Edition on win98, desktop or (maybe) developer only.
Also check client network utility and server network utility at Sql Server Program Group.

midi25

2:54 pm on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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i have updated my op system to win2k. and still cannot connect. im using my pc name so its trying to connect to that. mmmmm where can i get some help in setting up a connection. The online help is like mumbo jumbo to me at the moment. I am very new to this lol.

JuDDer

3:31 pm on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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You need to use the client network utility first if you havent done so already.

Open it up, click on 'alias' then 'add'.
Type something like 'local' for server alias, then type the NAME of your computer in the 'server name' box. Also, make sure that the TCP/IP is checked on the network libraries list on the left.

Once you have done that, open up enterprise manager.
Right click on 'SQL Server Group' on the left, then select 'New SQL Server Registration'.
On the list of available servers, you should see the one you just created via the client network utility. Click 'add' then 'next' then decide how you'd like to authenticate yourself on the SQL Server.

That should be all that's needed so you should be able to start playing with your databases.

If you also want to connect to a remote server, just do the same thing again but specify the details of the remote server in the client network utility.

Hope this helps :)

midi25

9:28 pm on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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thanks Judder. I done this on my win2k machine using your notes. My alias is none like you said and the pc name is JWILLIS. when it trys to connect to my pc it says connection failed. would you like to reconfigure the sql server.

do i need IIS running on my pc.

I,m using win2k and my pc name is JWILLIS

JuDDer

10:16 pm on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm guessing that you're getting the connection failed message when you are going through the 'register new sql server' wizard?

If you did everything I said and you are get that error at that point, I'd imagine it's an authentication problem.

Are you logged into your PC as administrator? If so, I would imagine you'd need to register the sql server using 'windows account information'.

Are you doing it this way or are you trying to connect with a usernam/password?

When you installed SQL server, was there an option to set a username/password? I can't remember if there is or not.

midi25

10:35 pm on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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no when i installed sql it gave me no info on setting up a password.

when i go through the wizard i set it to use my logon windows username and password.

when i loaded sql it automatically detected my pc name. which is JWILLIS and that is it.

dont think i am logging on as aministrator. just as JWILIS

JuDDer

10:41 pm on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Did you definately check the box for TCP/IP in the client network utility?

midi25

10:46 pm on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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yes i checked this box. i dont know why its having a problem trying to connect to my pc.

JuDDer

10:47 pm on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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When you are going through the new sql server registration wizard, do you definitely see the sql server alias name in the box?

JuDDer

10:47 pm on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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do you have a firewall running that could be blocking something or any weird antivirus software?

JuDDer

10:50 pm on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Once i have finished my testing phase i will upload to my server which is SQL compatable.

Have you tried connecting to the remote server to see if you get a different response?

midi25

11:01 pm on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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no i havnt got anything running. i,ll print some stuff off 2momro and show you. maybe this will help

midi25

11:38 am on Aug 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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hi judder can you give me some help please just come back off my hols. And i really need to get this working.

What setup are you running on your PC? i.e O/S pws or IIS etc

JuDDer

11:51 am on Aug 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My Setup:

Operating System: Windows 2000 Server (previously running just the standard win2k)
Web Server: IIS5 installed from the Win2k CD.
Database: SQL2000

I don't think it matters whether you have any kind of web server installed as the database is seperate from it.

Do you have an SQL Server account with a web host anywhere that you can connect to first so you can get a feel of how it all works before trying to get your setup working locally?

midi25

12:00 pm on Aug 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I am using just WIN2K i have thought about upgrading to WIN2K server dont know if this will help. One problem I am having is that my IIS5 will not load. For some reason when i go to install it off the cd i get an error message coming up. My hosting company run a SQL server but it is very expensive £25 per month or £250 a year. So you can understand that i would like to run on my pc first. Do you know of any good cheap SQL hosting?

Thanks

JuDDer

12:16 pm on Aug 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I don't think that upgrading to win2k server will help as this does not seem to be your problem.

What stage are you at currently?
Have you got SQL2k installed without any errors?
Have you made a connection via the client network utility?

midi25

1:12 pm on Aug 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Right i have SQL 2000 Enterprise installed on my PC. As off yet i cannot get IIS5 to install. Thats as far as i have got. When i do go into the network utility and try and set it up like you said in your earlier post i cannot get a connection

JuDDer

1:20 pm on Aug 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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have you tried using your local ip address such as 127.0.0.1 as the server name rather than your computer name in the client network utility? After that, you need to go into enterprise manager to try and register the server.

Dreamquick

1:38 pm on Aug 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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This may be a stupid question but are you sure you actually installed a sql server and not just the client tools? It is possible to install the enterprise manager etc. without installing a sql server...

Secondly, using an Ent Edition or Dev Edition grade SQL install on anything less than a server grade OS will result in the setup complaining it can't install the full product on your current OS. However it *will* let you install a personal edition server if you try hard enough which unless you need to do *big things* with SQL Server this will suffice...

How to check if you have installed a sql server or not; (there are two methods, one is quick, one is not)

1) Do you have a new icon in your system tray? It looks like a gray PC tower with a white circle on the bottom corner - the circle indicates server state and it will be;
blank if the server state is unknown
red if its stopped
green if its running

2) Open your service control panel and look for a "SQL Server" entry, if you can see that line then it is installed. In the default state the SQL Server service will always start when you start the machine, but potentially if you see this line and it doesn't say started that would explain why you can't connect to the server.

If you have installed the server and it is failing to start you should be able to get a hint of why this is by viewing the event logs...

- Tony

midi25

2:11 pm on Aug 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi right i have just re-installed SQL2k Ent.

When installing on my WIN2K machine I got this message! (MS SQL Server 2k server component is not supported on this operating system. Only client components will be available for installation)

I then selected to loads the clients tools upon installation.

It has installed now and i have the network utility and enterprise manager all under SQL when i got to start programs.

I do not have a little server tower in my my toolbox though

Dreamquick

2:38 pm on Aug 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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That explains it...

"Only client components will be available for installation"

You *need* the server components (specifically the SQL Server) in addition to the client components if you want to set up a SQL Server - if you dont install the server components then you wont be installing a SQL Server.

* Client tools are things like the enterprise manager, the query analyser, client network utility, profiler, data transformation services etc.
* Server components are things like the SQL Server service.

It is quite possible to install just the client tools without the server, as you are just installing the management tools without installing the sql server service.

As far as I am aware, the lack of the little icon in your tray means that you haven't installed a sql server - every sql server install I've completed with has installed the little tray icon unless I have instructed it otherwise.

Equally it has been my experience (and this is backed up by the admin guides) that the client network utility rarely needs to be used unless you want to change the protocols you use to connect, this in itself is something that happens rarely until you begin to start tweaking the server install.

Also if memory serves whenever you install sql client+server then the server is automatically added to your enterprise manager.

Solutions?

I'm pretty new to the 2k edition of SQL Server so I can't really suggest great work arounds for your problems except to say that there used to be a desktop edition of sql 7 but that product is now called the personal edition - it is essentially a cut down sql server + client tools which will install on a non-server OS.

- Tony

midi25

2:58 pm on Aug 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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So how can i get my 2K Ent version to get connected to a SQL server. Does this mean i would have to get some hosting with a SQL server.

I am pretty much sure SQL2K Ent does ship with a desktop version.

Dreamquick

3:13 pm on Aug 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Personal / desktop editions do often come on the install disks for their bigger siblings so a little look around might be in order - have you tried the developer edition install?

If you can find & install a sql server separately you can then add that server to the enterprise manager via the "add server" wizard. Also on the plus side SQL 2k client tools *are* backwards compatible so you could even try this with a v7 SQL Server if you really had to.

- Tony

midi25

5:18 pm on Aug 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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i cannot find the developr install. Do you know where abouts this would be??? I think i have seen it once.

Why cant they make these things easy lol

midi25

1:41 pm on Aug 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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hi judder/dreamster. I now have the tower in my toolbox! and it has a green arrow in it. Its running my pc name SQL Server. What do i need to do now to create a database?

JuDDer

1:47 pm on Aug 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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ok great!
Head back towards the start of this thread and read the steps that you need to take to create your DB.

midi25

2:38 pm on Aug 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Im in!

lol

Got it working on my WIN98 pc. Its connected using my PC name and i have a server in the server pane with my pcs name on it and a green arrow. Well atleast i have made a connection. Thanks

The hardest part comes now. Figuring out how to work it all lol.

I installed a Desktop Engine which is on the CD. I think this helped somehow. Dont know but its worked.

kastro

7:51 pm on Aug 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Sorry i didn't catch you guys sooner on this conversation.

like you've already found out, you can't install enterprise sql server2k on win2k pro. I use the trial version of sql server2k on my win2k machine for development. You can dl it from Microsofts web site. They allow you to reinstall it when your 120day trial licesnce expires and i'm guessing this is because you cannot install sql 2k server on a win2k pro machine you can only install the client tools. The only problem you will have using the trial version of sql server 2k is... there is a bug that occurs when you attempt to connect to another sql server 2k using enterprise manager and list the databases available. it will hang there and never come back. Your only option is to use enterprise sql server on a win2k/nt4 server machine or use Query analyzer. Other then that problem the trial version of sql server2k does the job for me. You can do everything that you can do with the full version it just tells you that your trial is over after 120 days, but again they have no problem with you reinstalling it as far as I know. Let me know what kind of progress you make.