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Thoughts on new forums?

What do we need?

         

Brett_Tabke

9:28 am on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Currently planning on the following:

1) doing the long over due split of PHP and PERL into separate sub forums under server side scripting.

2) adding a javascript forum.

3) splitting aff/ad forum into affiliate and advertising.

Mulling over
- a MSN forum for specific talk about msn.
- an Alexa forum.
- search engine stock, legal, and finance.

We add new forums based on need. To consider a new forum, I think we need atleast 50 threads about the topic to consider it.

What do you think we need?

brotherhood of LAN

2:26 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>databases

definetely. hopefully we could get some db structure optimisation discussions on the go ;)

database and regular expressions....somehow I think they both fit under the current PHP/CGI boards, though id like a new forum for both ;)

andreasfriedrich

2:32 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Separation of Perl [perl.com] and PHP: +

Separate database forum: +

Separate webserver forums for IIS and Apache:?

W3C [w3c.org] protocols and standards forum: +
I´m not sure whether putting webservices within such a forum is a good idea. Not sure either if there are enough threads to warrant its own forum, but being such a buzz word I believe there seen will.

Separate JavaScript forum: +

andreasfriedrich

2:34 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>regular expressions

Separate forums for Perl [perl.com] style REs and (extended) POSIX style REs ;)

fathom

10:45 am on Feb 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Another thought... Branding 607 threads > brand image, brand awareness, brand recognition, and brand trust

glengara

11:05 am on Feb 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Looking forward, Blogs may well become bigger as the year goes on.

hakre

11:09 am on Feb 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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i think the idea of an apache specific forum sounds nice. also the split of perl and php would help a lot for people finding 'their' forum quite right.

fathom

2:22 pm on Feb 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Another one that Brett actually started a while back was tool reviews. Maybe something similar to the close postings of Commercial exchange.

Not a day goes by where someone requests information about one tool or another.

An unbaised review of competiting tangible & intangible products providing advantages, disadvanatges, ease of use, learning curving and benchmarks allow members to make informed choices for what's best for them.

I think this would be a nice addition to "Local" covering the gamut of other forums associated products/services.

ncw164x

4:32 pm on Feb 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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MSN Forum -> Good Idea
capable of driving a lot of traffic to your site

Alexa Forum -> Not required
it may be a guide for a site statistic's but the results can be way out in the "real world"

Legal/Finance -> Good Idea
with the web changing so much the legal implication on a web site have become a big issue, what may be OK in one country is not in another

databases -> Good Idea

lorax

5:10 pm on Feb 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Lots of good ideas already posted. On my "priority" list I'd like to see

- PHP/PERL seperation
- A Forum for databases
- A Forum for XML and it's related technologies

aek

5:18 pm on Feb 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How about a forum for premature google update threads, or would that be too popular :)

Christi

5:43 pm on Feb 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I second Fathom on Branding.

Brett_Tabke

1:12 pm on Feb 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Part of the problem with some of the topics is managing them. Branding is non-specific enough that those questions would get posted in alot of different forums with no clear cut winner. We see that already with the simple 3 google forums. The forum indexes for those forums is always full of 'moves' because people just don't get the difference.

So we look for very clear cut topic lines for new forums.

vitaplease

1:53 pm on Feb 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I would love to see these:

- Usability
- Blogs/forums
- Branding
- Javascript
- Alexa

>>Usability - That's one I'd want to find a real pro for a moderator first..

Even better experts than those already around might appear soonest once the individual forums exist.

chris_f

2:21 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Usability - That's one I'd want to find a real pro for a moderator first..

Brett,
Im happy to cover this. I work with special needs children in schools. They just love the internet and I can try my best to tell people how to code sites so that they work and the kids can understand them. (Note: I also work with the disabled ... omg, I'm sounding like an angel ;) LOL.)

I can also cover this from a 'what makes people buy' perspective as I consult sites and they pay for me to alter their site to increase the conversion rates.

OntheEdge

2:26 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>How about a forum for premature google update threads, or would that be too popular :) <<
Imagine all the internal links to that one!

Marketing Guy

2:36 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I second (er, third or fourth...) branding.

Although the crossover issue could be a problem, well, lets face it nothing in our industry is really that clear cut anyway! ;)

Like the other forums, a branding forum would get a clear cut definition and forum charter, and over time with good moderation (as always in here!) members would know what threads to post in there.

I also think its the one aspect of web marketing that's neglected just now - too many people concerned with the next update and short term SEO and not enough effort being put into long term strategy.

SEO is a wonderful marketing tool in that it can reap results relatively quickly - brilliant for testing the water.

But for those wishing to establish a long term business, carefull thought and planning has to go into effectively branding a site.

Just my 2 c! :)

Scott

<added> Agree with Vitaplease on the forums / blogs suggestion too </added>

Ove

2:59 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I would like to see mysql, apache and a forum that take up questions about marketing without search engines there is alot of way to promote things of.

/Ove

mona

2:39 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> a MSN forum for specific talk about msn.
> search engine stock, legal, and finance.

Yes to both of these. I don’t know enough about the other to offer an opinion. Which leads to this…

How about a beginners - education/resource type of forum? I know you have the New To Web Development forum and I’ve used that.

Actually, reading one your posts is what has inspired me to suggest this, Brett.

In this thread [webmasterworld.com] you wrote –

If you can take a bit of time and look at the bigger picture than just what we throw on the page and up in a visitors browser, the context will help in ways you can't see at first.


I read this about 3 weeks ago and took your advice. Since then, I’ve been reading about everything I can. But it can be very overwhelming. In order to “look at the bigger picture” it’d be nice to have the very basics of that picture drawn out. Xoc’ s Understanding the Internet Jigsaw Puzzle was very helpful, but it’s hard to find other resources like that.

It’s also easy to get distractedand to keep venturing off on tangents.
Example – Reading a very basic tutorial on computer hardware led me on this wild goose chase...
Computer hardware>microcompresser>bits and bytes>boolean logic>bits and bytes>semiconductors>transistors>batteries>…
Also - Computer hardware>quantum computers>desperate search for an into to quantum physics that I could understand…

And don’t even get me started on programming languages!

And while I am enjoying some of these tangents, I feel like I’m sorta stumbling around in the dark. Part of it may be the frustration of “for every one thing I learn, I find another 10 things I don’t know”, I’m sure. But there’s more to it then that. I know there’s a vast amount of education, ‘street smarts’, and experience around WebmasterWorld and this knowledge is shared (thankfully) very generously around here.
However, most of it is very specific. I know that is part of what makes this site so useful to everyone, but I think it would be nice if there was a place that people’ s broader knowledge could be shared.

I’m really carrying on here so I’ll wrap this up.

  • More of a broad, general discussion about every aspect of computers, the internet, etc. for the beginner.

  • Focus maybe on pointing people in the direction for answers. Suggesting among threads in WebmasterWorld, tutorials, articles, etc.

  • ‘Experts’ on one’s given area recommending why others should learn about it, where they should start, where to go from there if they’re still interested, and how it relates to ‘the big picture’. Ex -Like a programmer who knows C for example. Do I really need to get the basics down? <rant>And if so please show me some where I can start that doesn’t start throwing code in my face only 2 paragraphs into the tutorial! </end rant>

    Does this sound like something that people would use? I guess I don’t really know, but thanks for reading this:)

  • DLadybug

    4:04 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    My votes..
    Branding..
    marketing techniques and systems, consumer psych, concept feedback,

    Content Management..
    techniques and systems

    Database..

    Membership or Subscription Site
    mgmt and setup, member mgmt, value added content

    Pathing. (I'd call this the Yellow Brick Road thread)
    One forum of just "expert notes" on things like Bretts steps to success using google. It would work as a read-only thread, suggested paths or steps to "something". People with a lot of experience know all the questions and pitfalls and can lay them out in 10 easy steps. Naturally, different approaches to the same subject would be a plus.

    Topic examples;
    Running a home Server
    Hiring content writers
    Things to ask when selecting a Host company
    Increase Page Rank check list
    Changing Hosts

    I'm thinking for credibility, a YBR post would have to be submitted by someone with identifiable expertise, perhaps a long standing member. A Read-Only forum would allow a way to manage the reliability/effectiveness of the poster/ methods. I don't know, perhaps you already have this up in the members only forum?

    Dian :)

    mfagan

    5:15 am on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Too summarize the suggestions and add my own, which is mainly breaking up other forums:

    Search Engines:
    Google Updates (it would be nice if this just went away...)
    Search Industry (companies, stocks, etc.)
    Alexa (do we *really* need this?)

    Web Development:
    (X)HTML
    Browsers (including mobile)
    XML and Related Technologies
    Javascript and DOM (and vbscript?)
    Usability and Accessibility
    Databases
    PHP
    Perl/CGI
    Web Servers

    Web Content and Access (separate this from webmaster world):
    Content
    Legal Issues (copyright, deep linking)
    Content Delivery (weblogs, forums, newsletters)
    Spiders (and .htacces, robots.txt) (move this from 'marketing')

    Computing (separate this from webmaster world):
    Linux, Unix, and *nix like Operating Systems
    PC / Windows OS
    Mobile/Wireless Computing
    Macintosh (safari stuff goes in "browsers")

    Marketing:
    Branding

    Trisha

    6:06 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    My vote is for:

    XML and Related Technologies
    Usability and Accessibility
    Marketing

    SlyGuy

    6:55 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    I second (er, third or fourth...) branding.

    Therefore, I fifth it..put me down for the branding forum.

    - Chad

    Marketing Guy

    7:00 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Could the library be added to the forums index?

    It may reduce the amount of commonly asked questions. If it could be categorised into commonly asked topics, eg:

    Google related
    Basic SEO techniques
    Etc etc

    Scott

    Oh, and branding again! :)

    rogerd

    7:04 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Oh, and branding again!

    Sleazy attempts to stuff the ballotbox won't be allowed. Your IP address has been logged. ;)

    XML & Usability get my votes as two useful new fora. Content Management would be OK, but if the Content forum isn't overly busy perhaps it could be renamed "Content & Content Management". (Kind of a keyword stuffed name, though.;))

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