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I'm curious, what would you want to change?

recurring theme mostly ill-defined.

         

tangor

12:12 pm on Sep 22, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Elsewhere on another thread this was said:

but even posting here feels like work due to the old interface or lack of options


THIS IS NOT A POLL!
THIS IS NOT A REQUEST FOR CHANGE OF ANY KIND!

I'm just a member, nothing else. No part of the back end on Webmasterworld, just a curious guy. This comment, or one like it, comes around every-so-often, mostly as a complaint for something or other without real specification.

WHAT EXACTLY IS WRONG? WHAT EXACTLY IS DESIRED?

To ME, a forum is communication in the most direct UI possible. TEXT ON SCREEN. Editing tools sufficient to do the task. Members to interact with. Archives---searchable---leading to past and present knowledge/commentary. Logical layout. Moderated topics. S-p-a-m free. Reasonable ads instead of a jungle's worth. Commonsense user profiles. A DM that's quick and easy. A sensible TOS, and willingness to STICK TO IT on both sides...

When Badges were discussed some years back I was con---what purpose did they serve? Well, we got'em, and we ALSO got a method to turn'em off! (Cuts down on the scrolling!) Works for me. :)

I don't see WW the way most do. I run HIGH CONTRAST ACCESSIBILITY GRAPHICS which turns my screen into a 1980's black and white monochrome-like screen, just with very high resolution AND a boost in font size simply because I am going blind by inches. "Pretty" does not translate to users like me so I could care less, but it seems others are more interested in the "dated" appearance than the CONTENT, which puzzles me.

Do you come for the graphics, or the WORDS?

What is your wish list of mods AND why?

If not obvious... I like things just the way they are. Good content. Good management. Good folks.

lucy24

4:16 pm on Sep 22, 2025 (gmt 0)

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I wish the site would move into the present century by recognizing the existence of UTF-8. Just one modest wish.

Oh, and I wouldn’t mind if smileys were allowed to have noses.

Martin Potter

12:12 am on Sep 23, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Words. I come for the words and the knowledge behind them. And the three Goods already mentioned.

(Sorry, Lucy, I had no idea about utf-8.)

lucy24

1:40 am on Sep 23, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Sorry, Lucy, I had no idea about utf-8.
That’s because you never have occasion to say ᐋᒃᑲ or ᐄ. (Silly example, but you see what I mean.)

Martin Potter

1:05 am on Sep 25, 2025 (gmt 0)

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You are right, Lucy, I have never seen that before, nor have i had occasion to say it. Colour me Naive.

See what I mean about this site? I am on the verge of learning something completely new.

lucy24

1:32 am on Sep 25, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Seriously, though, I’m sure there are site members from Eastern Europe whose names cannot be displayed correctly.

Brett_Tabke

12:08 pm on Sep 26, 2025 (gmt 0)

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>utf8

is most often the #1 way to hack a ugc website. ASCII or die ;-)

utf8 would require a complete refactoring of every script the site uses. Probably 3k-5khrs of work. Reminder, it is a flat file system here.

tangor

7:30 pm on Sep 26, 2025 (gmt 0)

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is most often the #1 way to hack a ugc website. ASCII or die ;-)

True words. One reason why I never went utf8 with my site(s).

lucy24

2:41 am on Sep 27, 2025 (gmt 0)

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ASCII or die
I guess we’re dead, then, because the present site is not ASCII. It is Windows-Latin-1 (1252), which differs from ISO-Latin-1 (8859-1) in a few characters such as œ and “curly quotes”.

Brett_Tabke

11:31 am on Sep 27, 2025 (gmt 0)

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I know lucy - i get it. (off record), I have slowly been moving some scripts here to support utf8 quietly. The main sticking point is storage and retrieval.

lucy24

4:31 pm on Sep 27, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Back before the last major overhaul--the one iBill did--it was possible to throw a thread into UTF-8 if the first non-ASCII character anyone entered happened to be something that existed in UTF-8 but not Latin-1. (It is probably a great relief to everyone that this no longer happens, but it was fun while it lasted.)

explorador

4:40 pm on Sep 29, 2025 (gmt 0)

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This forum has serious and solid knowledge built over the years with also great netiquette. People who want to learn would do so if they please working hard to find the wisdom at diff places, I believe but the forum and the authors deserve improvements in the platform, because the place has remained as it is for too long without changes.

Don't fix what already works. True. But if we take a look at some old wise posts around here that served as checklist for success, we have to remember website and forum redesign are key factors to stay relevant. Times change, platforms changes, people change, and people expectations also change. As much as I love this place, I have to be honest that... it feels, some of the great advice posted on diff threads is contradictory to the state of things, would you agree?

I would vote in favor of better post and publication editors.

Why?

This is not just a forum, the place has some decent material qualifying as "articles", I mean publications, the sort of thing you recommend to others. In such cases, the format matters (semantics, bold, etc.), and the presentation has impact on the readers. Some forums (like this one) allow pinning something at the top due to it's importance. Other forums allow turning a thread (or post) into a publication.

Also, remember some past discussions, content is king, but a lot of people nowadays don't approach online sources just for information: people also seek emotions, this could happen in the form of debates/discussions, or articles that somehow include graphic resources (emoticons, or bold in less complex ways, I mean, the text editor). Most of us are writers, most of people around the web are common users, and it's not fun to write something and hit CTRL+B to have your browser do something else instead of formatting your text.

While I don't fully agree on having ultra multi color tools that turn forums into a format nightmare, I can understand the value of presentation, and how this has positive impact on the reader. I've seen such features being requested on other forums, and then implemented, and you can see how the discussion can also improve.

The ouch comment!, I created a forum software in the past (in Perl), it had everything I wanted back then, and it ran on several websites. I know it's hard to run something purely proprietary because every feature means work, it's not something you just grab from a plugin repository, or something you just enable on some pref panel. But mostly, I know how hard it is to keep up with the times (unless... you plan the whole thing to be fully flexible from scratch), and everything depends on you. I know this forum runs on Perl, and yes it's fast, etc., so cool, I take my hat off in admiration, but I also know Perl... ahhhh I love it but lately not so much, well, sometimes things just won't work using Perl, and due to server changes somethings break, or don't work as expected anymore. It's more practical to use a community platform. At the end of my experience, I focused on a new forum software (by me), and then totally abandoned the project, moving to something already available online. Granted, eventually I shut down the forum because it was no longer in my checklist, but... I'm saying, proprietary forum software has it's days counted, unless one decides to fully commit to improve it constantly. Yeah, it's painful, but probably a change in platform?

Other than functionality, I would love to see some case studieson the forum. This really engages people and changes the game. My 2 cents by now.

tangor

5:10 am on Sep 30, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Quite a wish list! Much of which is interesting, but in the long haul defeats the PURPOSE of the Webmasterworld FORUM AS PRESENTED and much loved by the majority. It is not a Publication, it is a conversation. A tool for teaching, sharing, advising. It is not a Book, where "print" formatting is required for VISUAL impact. Is the current editor a bit on the clunky side? Perhaps. Is it impossible? No. Would it make more sense if the quick response entered into PREVIEW from the get go? (Too many never figure out what PREVIEW means!) Perhaps. Color? NEVER. Why? Some people are color blind, and some are visually impaired, so why take a chance? Perl is still valid. Remains a Swiss Army Knife for Web Projects. Flat File is blinding fast, don't step back from that!

As for emotions ... pretty dang sure that there's plenty of that! Sometimes to the point of Mods stepping in when necessary! IF, on the other hand, "emotion" is based on using visual, bold, graphic, representation.

IT'S IN THERE!

explorador

3:33 pm on Sep 30, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Language is a fantastic tool for communication, it's very important to achieve what we want or need.

The original title/opening of the thread goes around "what to change", now the latest post mentions "it's in there". There is a big difference if we mix the intention for practical purposes.

It's in there yes, but we lack people, we lack interactions, the forum lacks the amounts of traffic that make every project stay alive and grow. So, to many of us, the knowledge is there, yes, we know it, most of us already read it, and certainly... some are actually the authors.

A book?, true, a forum is not a book, yet, if the info is there and new people don't read it, then it matches that old book that stays in the drawer, it needs traffic, new readers, and a presentation that fits the times or the audience.

Is it really in there? I know the wisdom and knowledge is there, it's here, but new people may not know it, let's be fair: new people DON'T know it, and to be more precise... new people may not believe it's there. They come, it looks... way different to what they expect, or can't find the interaction they expect, and then leave.

Modern times I remember an old thread about Linux and Python, I wrote things on purpose there mocking the usual conversation in good fun!, but turns out I hit the nail. Let me explain. Sometimes I need to do something and I ask on forums, due to the nature of the task... I didn't write that here, and turns out sometimes it's difficult to get the right answers, not everyone knows the languages at the needed depth... Then, there he comes, the answer I don't want to read "you can do that with Python", yes, I know, but perhaps there is a reason why I posted "I don't want to use Python". Long story short, around the web some of us joke on how Python appears everywhere, even when nobody is calling it. But this paragraph is not about me, it's about the audience, for diverse reasons lots of people today are searching ways to achieve something, and they are not interested on reading "Python", or "Perl", yes, it's possible, but it may be due to personal preference, or technical reasons... they don't want that.

New conversations, long ago I tried to move things around regarding mobile development, but it never took off. My interest was bigger than my knowledge, and not finding anyone here talking about it, I had to fly somewhere else for research. Other forums are actively talking about other languages, apps, webapps, etc.

Audience, at the end of the day, I like it here, yes, but I'm not the main audience, new audience is needed, and we all know the difference between a personal private website versus a hobby website, the first one is for our eyes only, nobody reads anything but us, in fact most people in the world don't even know the site exists. The hobby site on the other hand... tries to build bonds with people, and to do so it considers the format, the presentation.

Everyone has diff opinions, just consider having a talk with a young person learning development, share links and see their reactions. They will value wisdom, information, yes. But they will also value presentation, being able to discuss with other fresh blood FAST, new topics, and the old stuff may appear to them as boring, outdated, and perhaps bringing words out like WT...f? I told 2 times how people asked me on the web "where is that place you mention where you learned X?", and after giving them the link, they react but not favorably, in fact, they question me because to them, the knowledge (mine) vs the source, mean noise, they can't understand it, and not once a single person told me "yeah, I know read that place, I just opened my account there! what's your nick there?", no, they are gone.

Brett_Tabke

2:14 am on Oct 1, 2025 (gmt 0)

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tweaked the post create screen (not quick edit) form to include a live preview.

In the textarea I added keyboard short cuts
ctrl-b bold
ctrl-i italic
ctrl-q quote

will probably add more now that the system is set. Let me know any glitches in sticky (so as to not hijack the thread further...)

explorador

8:15 pm on Oct 3, 2025 (gmt 0)

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tweaked the post create screen (not quick edit) form to include a live preview.

In the textarea I added [...] will probably add more now that the system is set. Let me know any glitches in sticky (so as to not hijack the thread further...)

Thanks, improvements are appreciated.

I'm curious by nature, the following is not addressed to anyone in particular, and not meant to hijack the thread any further (in fact I don't understand that part). So, this is just a comment in the open.

(1) Who wants changes? (2) who needs them? 1 and 2 are very diff world. People already part of the community may be ok or more than ok with the forum the way it is, but forums are meant to attract diff minds, not to stick the the same ones forever (while they also retire), same goes to very personal preferences... and new people will not even register to leave comments, that's something basic on the web: people come, and have like 1.5 seconds to decide if the places fits their needs or preferences, and if not... they won't bother to register, share a comment, ask questions, and just will leave without sharing any feedback.

I felt curious by who would say thanks to the new features, there are 2 likes, not one thanks, just mine. Perhaps nobody really wants or needs the improvements? it's not a priority? or there is little activity, not enough for people to notice the thread? I don't know, but I do know everyone is busy and new features take time, I'm able to appreciate that regardless of the scale of the improvements.

If my comments are the ones apparently taking the thread out of context, not my intention, apologies then. I often tend to think a lot of people with years around here not really care or have an idea of what new users (regular or advanced) may think (or contribute), I feel weird saying this because I sense most people believe everything should work the way it is, and I cut myself short trying to paint the comments others told me about the forum (their first impressions), perhaps it's just me.

lucy24

8:21 pm on Oct 3, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Oh, I remembered something. Is it really necessary for the Recent Posts screen to reload several times on arrival? Answer: No, it can’t be, because Firefox helpfully tells me it has prevented the page from reloading, and I just go on about my business. If I allow it to reload, it does so at least three times, with no apparent change.

Edit: Out of curiosity, I re-checked after posting. This time it was seven reloads.

tangor

12:54 am on Oct 4, 2025 (gmt 0)

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A kind of takeaway is

Thanks Brett for edit changes!

Then:

1 No to Few New Members
2 No to Few Interesting NEW topics
3 No to Few Appearance changes...

Not sure how to address any of the above. Members are those that see value and are not just seeking a quick answer to fix/tweak to get a leg up on g...

New topics has been largely killed by canned CMS packages and lazy looters/webmasters seeking a fortune (and never getting it) and sadly, lacking any knowledge or interest in gaining knowledge on what to ASK in the first place. YMMV

Pretty is skin deep. Bone and Marrow animate all. Never pretty, but always necessary!

Not seeing/hearing what CHANGES should be made to WW. What I am seeing/hearing is a lament that the enthusiasm of the early web is gone. That sharing tips and tricks has vanished. That solving layout/display no longer exists. That those who stick around are either NOT replying because the same old topics keep coming up and they are burnt out replying OR we are either dying off or giving up on WW as a "time sink" of little NEW value.

Yeah, I miss the old daze (sic) when all was new and squishy and growing up... then again I also admire the mature, codified "normal" that keeps things on an even keel. Also react to the alerts of changes to algos, regulations (generally nation/state) impacting webmasters, business considerations, marketing possibilities, copyright discussions, new tech (AI etc.) that crop up from time to time. These things still happen at WW. In this stodgy old display, good management, MODERATED, and FREE forum. There's a paid side, of course, with more benefits---but that LOOKS exactly the same!

STILL INTERESTED in what would you wish be changed---that actually relates to the forum itself, the presentation, the UI, the MECHANICS.

Kendo

1:21 am on Oct 4, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Is it really necessary for the Recent Posts screen to reload


Having the page refresh before getting a chance to read posts marked as "recent" is an inconvenience.

Can it be left to the user to refresh the page manually, as and when necessary?

lucy24

5:44 am on Oct 4, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Another: I wish New Posts could be taught not to include your own last post. I don't need to visit a thread if the most recent post was mine. (Honestly now, can't someone just sneak a look at how php/bb does it, and swipe their code?)

Brett_Tabke

10:30 am on Oct 4, 2025 (gmt 0)

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>reload

I've heard this before and have been unable to replicate it.

No5needinput

1:37 pm on Oct 4, 2025 (gmt 0)

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>reload

Browser extension/plugin conflict? That was my issue when compulsory JS was enabled.

not2easy

2:46 pm on Oct 4, 2025 (gmt 0)

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I don't see a reload either, it is working as usual for me (Firefox - 143.03)

lucy24

5:05 pm on Oct 4, 2025 (gmt 0)

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In Firefox, look at the very top of the browser window, right under the address bar. I see a small-print alert that says “Firefox prevented this page from automatically reloading” with an adjoining button for “Allow”. I’m pretty sure this is FF default behavior, as I don’t remember changing anything. If you’re used to ignoring the message, you may no longer consciously notice it.

No change after compulsory JS--but then, I wouldn’t expect any, since I had JS enabled all along.

not2easy

5:22 pm on Oct 4, 2025 (gmt 0)

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I did alter my privacy settings for this site because I need the cookies to do any work here. The little shield icon in the address bar is shown with a slash, so that might be why? I use the UBlock extension by default, but this site gets a pass. :-|

lucy24

7:35 pm on Oct 4, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Huh. I’ve got the shield icon, which I now learn (never checked before) means “No trackers known to Firefox were detected on this page.” Well, that’s reassuring anyway. But does it mean they don’t count piwik/matomo as a tracker?

No5needinput

8:16 pm on Oct 4, 2025 (gmt 0)

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No change after compulsory JS--but then, I wouldn’t expect any, since I had JS enabled all along.


I've always had JS enabled as well but once the code "requiring" it was added to this site I kept getting continual refreshes without access to any content. It was a Chrome extension conflict causing it. Once I disabled the extension it was all good again.

tangor

9:23 pm on Oct 6, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Recent Posts - refresh?

If you use the Recent posts as your entry page...

Read a topic---do you hit back to return to the recent posts or hit your link to recent posts? If the latter you WILL get a refresh. If you use the back button to return to where you ENTERED, the unreads remain that way.

lucy24

9:34 pm on Oct 6, 2025 (gmt 0)

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do you hit back to return to the recent posts or hit your link to recent posts?

in my case, neither: I open all posts in tabs, leaving the Recent Posts page unchanged. But the Refresh (if I allow it to happen) comes on initial page load--and then comes more than once.

Kendo

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in my case, neither: I open all posts in tabs, leaving the Recent Posts page unchanged


I do that too, but am finding that by the time I read one post, that Recent Posts has been refreshed, destroying the order.

Lately I have been starting from the bottom of Recent Posts in the hope of keeping some idea of progress, but the Refresh is killing that idea too.
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