Auto Submissions-the beginning of the end?

[Videoman]

From mirago.co.uk

"Due to abuse of this service by non-UK/ Irish auto-submitters this mechanism (by default) no longer supports submissions via robots, we only support manual submissions........"

How long before all SE's will stop auto submitters??

[NFFC]

They also say;

"If you are a UK or Irish internet marketing company and exclusively have UK/ Irish-based clients please email us on [e-mail] and we will set up a batch submission mechanism (at no charge) after establishing 'credentials'."

Although I must admit that doesn't appeal to me.

[Brett_Tabke]

Quality auto submitters are undetectable. (although it is hard to keep them that way).

[littleman]

It really isn't all that hard to emulate a browser.

[Brett_Tabke]

The problem current crop of mass distributed auto submitters, is cookies. I think excite is starting to require them (and a hidden referer).

[littleman]

I use a nice free desktop app that lets me see the header info on everything sent to and going out from a standard browser. It is really handy for catching stuff like
that. Here is the url. [naviscope.com]

[lizzie]

If I use an auto submitter but have cookies turned
off in my browser will this work? Or do you need
to have cookies turned on for them to accept your
submission? I am still looking for just a page of links
to the Add Url pages of the major search engines.

[lizzie]

"Quality auto submitters are undetectable."
Brett, can you recommend one?

[knoxy]

lizzie
here is a list of some of the add url's

Fast/all the web
[ussc.alltheweb.com]
Altavista
[altavista.com]
Altavista.co.uk
[uk.altavista.com]
Ask Jeeves
[ask.com]
Canada
[canada.com]
Excite
[excite.com]
Google
[google.com]
Goto
[goto.com]
Infoseek
[infoseek.go.com]
Hotbot
[hotbot.lycos.com]
Looksmart
[looksmart.com]
Northern Light
[northernlight.com]
Direct Hit
[directhit.com]
Open Directory Project
[dirt.dmoz.org]

hope it is of some help :)

[lizzie]

wow, thanks, I'll make my own webpage of links!
Now for the real nitty gritty, only answer if you
are sure:
1. How about if I turn off cookies In my browser?
Will they still accept my submissions (doubt it)

2. How about if I use "Anonymizer.com" to hide my IP address?
But have cookies turned on? I guess the cookie will be
put on the anonymizer server?

They won't accept my submissions of my old webpages anymore,
but will accept new pages, with the same old autosubmitter
I've always used and cookies allowed. What does this tell me?
Make all new webpages--just wish I knew why!

[oilman]

Lizzie,
I'm FAIRLY ;) sure that Brett won't mind me pointing you at The Collective [searchengineworld.com]

[lizzie]

Thanks Oilman! Now if I can just learn Perl...
I've wanted to but now I have a reason.
On the list above of SEs only A.V., Goto and AskJeeves
wanted to give me a cookie, and only sometimes.
I've never submitted manually and always had good results
until recently.

[webazaar]

I just checked out the perl script that you recommended. I am currently using Dumptruck. Their submission to sites like hotbot, anzwers, canada, and others seems to be great. How does that other submitter compare if you know? Also, I have been using AddWeb to submit my mainpage and some other pages to all foreign directories, ffa stuff, and other various random directories.... Do you think this is worth it??

[oLeon]

We wrote our own submitter in java. It doesnīt have the possibility to accept cookies (yet) - do you mean, itīs necessary? Could it be that this is the reason why we canīt get into the index of AV?

[littleman]

>Could it be that this is the reason why we canīt get into the index of AV?

No, AV isn't requiering cookies yet.

[lizzie]

The ones that require cookies are:
Fast-2 cookies
Infoseek-1
Hotbot-1
AOL-4!
I deleted most of the cookies on my computer
before I submitted to these. Then I went back
and deleted the new ones. Whew!

[Brett_Tabke]

Whoa, I missed that last reply the first time around.

Fast - no cookies,
Alta - no cookies,
Hobot - no cookies
Lycos - no cookies
Infoseek - no cookies
Google - no cookies
Excite - don't know yet. Still investigating (anyone on excite?).

The only question on Cookies for submission is Excite. There are few things in seo I am positive of - this is one of the few. I do 500 urls a day submission - I know this things. No se's are requiring cookies for submission other than possibly the question mark Excite.

If you are seeing cookies - these are advertisment tracking cookies and last visit tracking cookies. Cleaning them is always wise. However, they are not requirements or barriers to url submission.

If anyone tries to tell you different, drag them right back here and let us work em over a bit :)

[lizzie]

How do you do so many URL submissions a day?
Are they from at least 100 different domains?

[lizzie]

If you click on the links above to go to the add-url
pages and you have your browser set to prompt you
when a page tries to give you a cookie you can see that
almost each page from each engine wants to give you
at least one cookie as soon as you get to the add-url page.
Are you saying these are not to track the number of
submissions?