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Why do I get low rating on Yahoo/MSN?

         

peregil

12:19 pm on Mar 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have a fairly large music related website with an Alexa rank of about 10.000. About 70.000 unique visitors/2 mill hits daily. It is about 3 years old. It is in both DMOZ and the Yahoo! Directory. I have Google PR6.

Searching for my main keyword/keyphrase on Google, I come up as number 10 today. This have been fairly stable (8-14) for the last months. My "keyword #2" gives me about number 20. I am higher on less competitive keywords/searchterms.

On Yahoo! and on MSN the story is very different. I usually come up as between number 80 and 200 on both engine for most of my major keywords/keyterms!

I have a realtively large number of inbound links. Searching for "link:http://www.mysite.com" on Yahoo, gives 300.000 hits (some are internal, but you'll get the picture). This is 10X as many as the page that is #1 for my major keyword.

Do anyone have any idea what could be causing this? How do the algorithms of Google/Yahoo/MSN differ?

caveman

7:05 pm on Mar 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Most likely IMO: Your site is not very well optimized, but G likes your link profile. There are other possibilities, but to broadly generalize, G is less onpage/onsite oriented than the other two, especially MSN.

Also, Y has some very harsh filters/scoring elements. If you have a lot of pages that are similar, that could be hurting you to an extent.

Keep in mind that these are just very general guesses though.

peregil

9:53 pm on Mar 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Caveman.

The site has a lot of pages (1 mill), so that might be something. It is however impossible to reduce this without ruining the site. Except for a small common header, the pages are unique, and do not share content.

Could you tell me more about Y's harsh filters/scoring?

Ive tried to optimize the front page (title, H1, keyword sprinkling, length etc). Running it (and the competitors) through most of the automatic tests, I get way better score than them.

[edited by: caveman at 10:52 pm (utc) on Mar. 16, 2006]
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caveman

10:56 pm on Mar 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I've seen more than a few cases where, with large sites, G just dismissed pages it judged to be too similar (Supps), while Y's algo more or less trashed the site. (I'm not making a value judgement one way or the other.)

I'm not sure what you mean by 'common header' but often, large sites that get in trouble with the SE's have not gone to sufficient lengths to make sure that their page titles, META's, and page contents were different enough to one and other. From what little you've said so far, I'd start there, personally.

peregil

11:44 pm on Mar 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks again, Caveman. I got the idea. I do have some dynamic content in the title/meta-tags, but I am using a common H1-header (a slogan) that contains important keywords. This H1-tag is common for all the (1 mill) pages. I will try to change it, and create a dynamic H1-tag instead.