Sandbox Effect - only for Google or all the majors?

[specter]

Hi everyone,

I'm wondering if the "sandbox effect" is an exclusive Google "feature" or if it regards also the other major SEs.

Any reply will be appreciated.

Sincerely

[caveman]

specter, I don't see any evidence of it with MSN, but I've believed for some time now that this dynamic is now in play at Y.

I for one don't believe the sandboxing is just a time lag on inbound links. IMHO, new links are aged, new sites receive a dampening factor of some sort, and other filters are also involved. For example, a new site that launches with 60,000 backlinks is sanboxed not because the links are new but because almost no new site that is legit has that sort of profile.

So, if you think of sandboxing as a set of filters and algo elements that make it harder for new sites to rank because new sites must show signficant signs of quality AND most avoid elements that signal artificiality, then yes, I think Y has tighted up their algo/filter combinations in a similar if less harsh sort of way. FWIW.

What makes it harder to determine at Y is that their crawling is more spotty and the way they rank pages is more spotty. Sometimes perfectly good sites with quality (and not excessive) backlinks still have trouble getting love from Y.

[specter]

Thanks for your reply Caveman:

Sometimes perfectly good sites with quality (and not excessive) backlinks still have trouble getting love from Y.

It is exactly the reason for wich I posted.I'm just having ranking problems with a new started site regarding Yahoo/Altavista;I "naturally" optimized it and I provided only three good inbound links,from quality sites,but it seems to suffer very much to "take off" and I'm not able to explain why.

Do you think that is possible to decrease the "sandboxing" time in any way?

[Marcia]

Traffic.

[caveman]

Hehe. Marcia has a knack for speaking volumes with a single word. ;-)

[specter]

Traffic.

That is to say:...?

[caveman]

Well, you can think like an SEO and try to enhance your site's ranking with X, Y and Z SEO manuvers, or you can think like a business person trying to grow new and repeat traffic to your site.

Increasingly, the SE's are getting good at spotting sites that are "SEO'd" and dampening the standing of those sites in the SERP's, one way or another.

OTOH, when you think about building a great site, and getting valuable, targeted traffic (rather than gaming the SE's), you tend to focus your energy in areas that:
- actually grow your business,
- insulate your site from the ebbs and flows of changing SERP's,
- increase the likelihood of developing linking patterns that the SE's are inclined to smile upon.

Go figure. :-)