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1pixel gifs? How easy is it to determine?

         

Brett_Tabke

1:10 pm on Aug 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

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One of the long standing queries about se promotion, is the usage of 1pixel gifs. Can search engines detect these?

Some have claimed it would be too difficult for an se to detect. Here it is done in 10 simple perl lines.


open (GIF, $gif) ¦¦ die "file not found";
read (GIF, $type, 3);
seek (GIF, 6, 0);
read (GIF, $w, 1);
read (GIF, $w2, 1);
$width = ord ($w) + ord ($w2) * 256;
read (GIF, $h, 1);
read (GIF, $h2, 1);
$height = ord ($h) + ord ($h2) * 256;
close (GIF);

$height will contain height, and $width will contain width of the gif file.

If it is that easy in Perl...

rcjordan

1:25 pm on Aug 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

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stcrim and I were just discussing this the other day. Our thoughts were that a 1x1 transparent gif has a 'signature' size or size range that would provide a tip-off. Your perl code more than confirms that 1x1's should be avoided.

NFFC

1:43 pm on Aug 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Not that I am a fan of hidden links but;

You could always not specify the size, remembering to put it outside of any table structure.

rcjordan

2:06 pm on Aug 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

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>not specify the size
I wasn't clear (pun intended), the 'size' I was referencing was in K (or, in this case, fractions of K). Without looking, I believe a 1x1 transparent gif is something like 383.

Brett_Tabke

2:41 pm on Aug 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

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And alta/fast/ink have graphics spiders. They are going to download the graphics anyway...

Put up a graphic counter some time (other than counter.cgi of course) and watch the agents that download it. A real eye opener.

NFFC

3:03 pm on Aug 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

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>I believe a 1x1 transparent gif is something like 383.

Not that I am a fan of transparent gif's, but you can make them any K you like.

rcjordan

3:28 pm on Aug 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

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>but you can make them any K you like
but does the average submitter think of that? probably not.

qianxing

6:47 am on Sep 17, 2000 (gmt 0)



Because of my dislike for <BR> and   (long story from html1.1 days) I've been using transparent pixels a lot of my spacing. I like it because it's cleaner.

I've got ranks all over with those pages that use the pixels, especially some high ones in AV. This might not help you though, since my images aren't being use in links, and they are appearing as bigger than a pixel (using height and width attributes).

For your usage, I would suggest using a bigger transparent image. Something one or two pixels in width or height is not that much more likely to get noticed.

Brett_Tabke

2:49 am on Sep 19, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Ya, qianxing, we are wondering/worried about using one pix graphics to give spiders a bread crumb trail to follow into doorway/hallway pages. I think it all comes back to: why would the search engines care?

(btw: welcome to the board Qianxing)

seth_wilde

5:12 am on Sep 19, 2000 (gmt 0)

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NFFC-

Do you like transparent gifs? *L* (JK) :)

tedster

6:33 am on Sep 19, 2000 (gmt 0)

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A 1x1 transparent .gif is 43 bytes. Becuse of the gif compression algo, a 10x10 transparent gif file is only 49 bytes. A 100x100 pixel gif is only 146 bytes.

In other words, there's very little download penalty in making a gif larger than 1x1 to slip by simple filtering, if you're concerned about that.

These file sizes hold not just for transparent gifs, but also for all single color gifs. There's a simple design method that creates a single color gif that matches the site's palette. The browser can redraw that gif image in any dimensions needed. With no download penalty you can create bars of color, table backgrounds, etc. I once used this method to make square bullets that were also click-on links.

It's one of the times when using the browser to resize an image makes sense.

Given all this, I don't see any call for concern.

Brett_Tabke

6:16 pm on Sep 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

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The old 1 pixel graphic trick for design is quite useful. I remember there was a long article some where that went into amazing detail on using one pixel graphics for everything. That ring a bell with anyone? I'd like to read it again.

DaveAtIFG

11:19 pm on Sep 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

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The original question was "1 pixel gifs? How easy to determine?" might have been better framed as, "Do SE's have a problem with hidden links using 1 pixel gifs?" or similar....

A few comments:
It's very easy to identify a one by one gif. It's much more difficult to determine if it's a transparent gif, perhaps implying a hidden link.

It came as quite a surprise to me to view one of my pages using Netscape V2 recently and SEE all of my carefully hidden links. EVERY image had a 2 pixel border...

BeFree and other large affiliate programs use 1 X 1 gifs in their links for tracking purpose so I'd be surprised to see SEs become concerned about their use.

tedster

11:43 pm on Sep 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

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>>DaveAtIFG:
BeFree and other large affiliate programs use 1 X 1 gifs in their links for tracking purpose so I'd be surprised to see SEs become concerned about their use.<<

I doubt that banning would occur, for the very reasons you state. But the links could just be ignored, and that would make them useless from an SEO standpoint

>>Brett:
I remember there was a long article some where that went into amazing detail on using one pixel graphics for everything.<<

I first picked up my tricks from a book/website combination: "Creating Killer Wesites" and killersites.com. I just checked it out, and they're now into the second edition. They urge people away from spacer gifs and toward CSS. Their long tutorial on 1 pixel gifs seems to be gone.

grnidone

7:28 pm on Sep 28, 2000 (gmt 0)



>One of the long standing queries about se promotion, is >the usage of 1pixel gifs.
>Can search engines detect these?

*sigh* OK. I will be the Billy. I think I have figured out what you all are talking about:

You put a one pixel gif in your html as a link to other pages of your site. And is the concern that search engines are looking for this and giving penalties?

Also, Tedster

Can you point me at a tutorial you to learn about the method you are talking about? I'd like to learn more.

Thanks,
-G

DaveAtIFG

7:43 pm on Sep 28, 2000 (gmt 0)

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>You put a one pixel gif in your html as a link to other pages of your site. And is the concern that search engines are looking for this and giving penalties?

Almost! Typically, it's a transparent GIF so the link is hidden. If it isn't, it renders like a "."

The link can be to anywhere. I frequently use them to link between different sites for links popularity.

Could be any size if it's transparent, 1 X 1 minimizes download time and makes it easy to incorporate unubtrusively into a page.

As to the concern, exactly right!

seth_wilde

9:09 pm on Sep 28, 2000 (gmt 0)

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G-

Here's a tutorial [aim-pro.com] you can check out.