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After losing about all my traffic, it's time to rebuild.

         

BushMackel

4:11 am on Feb 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Hey everyone, I need a little support!

After two months of growing AdSense income, (from pennies a month for a year and a half to $2ish/day for the last 4 and largely due to handful of Wikipedia links), I have decided to take those links down because of the recent and constant cat and mouse game I've been playing with one Wiki member who keeps taking my links down. The member in question decided that instead of me posting links to my very relevant, unique, information packed site...I should be spending my time improving Wikipedia articles with the content from my site.

Needless to say, we had a difference in opinion. =)

So in the end, while I've been employing white hat seo/m techniques, my site has basically collapsed due to the loss of the Wikipedia traffic and I've spent most of the weekend emotionally devastated wondering where I go from here. Thinking about everything, I think I was using Wikipedia as a crutch for fast and immediate traffic, and not spending my efforts doing more fruitful things like getting IMPORTANT links. (Ha ha)

So...

Has anyone else suffered a setback like this and come back? Oh-and just as a little FYI, I think I've also come to the conclusion that the keyword I've been targeting for so long, "learn about blue widgets" is a dud because no one is really searching for it. And furthermore, I sat down with the numbers for an AdWords campaign, but as I just have a content site with no affiliate products, I can't find the numbers to make an AdWords campaign profitable.

So I'm really stuck now. I'm not sure where I should go or what I should do to get my Adsense #'s back up...These boards have brought me a long way but I need help now more than ever!

Sorry about the super long post!

otem

4:49 am on Feb 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Sorry to hear about your unfortunately news BM.

With a consistently strong SEO approach, building relevant links, and providing excellent content, you'll gain back your traffic and increase your earnings even more.

I have a suggestion about your Wikipedia posts. Why don't you take up your adversary's advice. Improve the article with content from your website. This will allow you to cite your page as a reference with a link while allowing you to build up your page's credibility at the same time!

Good luck.

BushMackel

3:31 pm on Feb 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Thanks otem, but is there really any point to doing that? I mean, will putting my site as a reference really do anything for my site? I can't see it drawing a lot of traffic from that link, and we all know it won't do anything for me in terms of serps. Does anyone even read the references section on a wikipedia article?

otem

5:03 pm on Feb 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I'm not suggesting you put all your content from your site into the article, just maybe a line or two.

I can't know the exact numbers you'll gain from your link, you can though, but I do know this: You'll end up gaining more traffic with a link in the article even if it is as a reference than no link at all.

BushMackel

5:24 pm on Feb 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Good point. Well thanks otem, I appreciate your responses.

nonni

6:24 pm on Feb 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I have run into some nimrod editors like you mention more than once - telling me that I should work on the wiki pages instead of my own. Then telling me that I am putting too much specialized information and that this is an article, not a book. Some people simply cannot be pleased (and they tend to hang out on wikipedia).

Then there's the one that doesn't like the fact that I have adsense at all ("too commercial"), although he doesn't object to other sites that have adsense and still maintain a wiki link - apparently, those sites are just trying to pay their bandwidth, while I am trying to crassly rake in a profit of pennies per day (its a very niche disease topic).

And there is one who thinks the writing on my site is sometimes too colorful and creative, but might merit a wikipedia link if only I adopt their bland style and neutral POV on all issues. Too many notes - take a few out, reduce everything to the least common denominator, put everything in an empirical, objectivist tone, then you might be link-worthy. Thanks, but no thanks.

I think ultimately we will see alot of 'post-wikipedia' sites. The content is on an open license, so why not use it to start a specialized wiki on that topic? Rather than scrape wikipedia verbatim (which is pretty useless), take a wiki page as a starting point, and use it to spin off a new website.

This would solve another pet peeve of mine - wikipedia pages get gummed up with gratuitous incest-links to other wikipedia pages. When you are reading the page about widgetitis disease, and it says that dehydration may make the symptoms worse, and drinking more water can sometimes alleviate the symptoms, there are links to the wikipedia page on dehydration and the page on water. But they are stupid, worthless links. The person with widgetitis wants to know how much water to drink to get better, and how much water is too much water - not about the gram molecular weight of water and the unusual hydrogen bond configuration that makes water special! Water freezes at 32/0? Fantastic, but irrelevant to the specialized reader, who deserves a specialized site.

So these spawn-of-wikipedia sites will be customized and be more useful than wikipedia. There could be competing spawn sites - one for alternative approaches to widgetitis where people who like that approach go, and one that focuses on prescription pharmaceutical treatments and their relative merits. Some people think widgetitis is better treated with cognitive/behavioral therapy? Great, start their own wikispawned site.

Ultimately, I think these forks will become more useful than wikipedia. A devoted cadre can often do a better job than a dogmatically open committee, especially if the format gives them the opportunity to expand and customize in a way that wikipedia cannot. These sites will be given cred in the search engines. There will be directories of post wikipedia sites. And who knowns, maybe someday, wikipedia will have a section for links to bonafide wiki-spawned forks that extend the search for useful knowledge?

I'm thinking about doing one of these for my niche disease. Then I can put together a team of people I know and trust not to be nimrods about what is allowed, and what isn't.

BushMackel

7:19 pm on Feb 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

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HA HA HA! Awesome post! You seem to understand EXACTLY what I've been going through.

wolfadeus

7:57 am on Feb 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I think nobody ever gets real traffic based on wikipedia links - if you have a quality site, try to get SE traffic (might require some links and waiting time). Building your own links on wikipedia is not the way forward.

Good luck!

W.

DavidBain

9:01 pm on Feb 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I think that the main thing to learn is that even though traffic may be fleeting, you need to be maximising return from your visitors by marketing to them over a lifetime.
If you build an industry specific opt-in with everyone who visits your site instead of thinking short-term buck with Adsense, you're the one that's going to have full future control of your income and not be reliant on daily traffic.

ConfusedButCommitted

1:10 am on Feb 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

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[ I think nobody ever gets real traffic based on wikipedia links]

I disagree, I get 5% from wiki.

BushMackel: disappear from wikipedia for awhile. Work on content, get links, whatever. After a few months, trying adding a link (maybe to your new content) using a different IP address, but stay under the radar. See if it sticks and go from there.

BushMackel

3:40 pm on Feb 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

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David and Confused, great suggestions. I think I will try/focus on both. This is giving me a great time to pause and reflect on things. I'm taking a trip to San Diego soon, and I hope to really nail an improved gameplan in going forward.