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Search engine roadblock (graphical text)

My site is graphic-based, but I can't switch to text

         

60grit

1:41 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hello all,
I am the webmaster for a manufacturer that sells a very visual product. The company has a brand image that requires elegance, so I used an elegant font to create the web page. I anticipated that the font would not appear on most browsers, so I made it into an image file instead (that way it would look the same on everyone's browser). The site looks great with the elegant font, but now that we're trying to get our site up on the search engines, I'm stuck because all of our text is in image form, which the search engines quite obviously won't detect.

Any suggestions or comments would be welcomed. The site address is: [bleep]

Thanks!

[edited by: rcjordan at 1:56 pm (utc) on Aug. 27, 2003]
[edit reason] sorry, no references to specific sites, please [/edit]

willybfriendly

1:53 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I learned many years ago that form follows function.

What is the function of the site?

That should defene the form - not esthetics.

Too many approach website design with the mindset of a print advertisment. That may be fine if the site's function is to serve as an advertising brochure to be viewed by those that have been introduced to the company via other means.

If the purpose is to be found easily in the search engines, then esthetics may need to be compromised.

Give up the flowery font. Otherwise, your only option may be to cloak.

WBF

Sinner_G

1:54 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld 60grit.Make sure you read the welcome [webmasterworld.com] message and remove that URL in your post, your description of the problem should be enough.

Now to your problem. You might do some good through the use of title and alt tags in your code, but I would still advise to drop the images and stick to real text.

As much as we all want to have good-looking sites, that is worth nothing if users can't find them. And graphics also take much more time to download, so you are making your few users angry.

Sorry, I guess this is not what you wanted to hear, but that's the way it is.

claus

2:06 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWrold 60grit :)

Sinner_G is right, alt-text should always accompany any image, especially if this image is text. The only exception is email-addresses, some people use images for these, so that they will not be read by spam-email harvesters, but that's off-topic i guess.

I'd advice you to put all the text from your graphics into alt-text for the same graphics.

/claus

rcjordan

2:09 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>The company has a brand image that requires elegance

Approaching this from another angle, how much money is the sales manager willing to spend to support this requirement? Search engine marketing can be made to work through ppc, pfi, site work-arounds, even cloakng ...but it gets to be very expensive.

Macguru

2:11 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sorry but alt tags wont cut in as real srtructured pages. You can have both a text version and a 'elegant' version if you wish...

Start here [webmasterworld.com].

Sinner_G

2:46 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Mac, so you would advise on cloaking (errr, sorry, selectively delivering content) based on user agent?

Marcia

2:51 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>webmaster for a manufacturer that sells a very visual product

This is where the magic of Flash integrated into a site is at its best.

One of the most memorable sites I've ever seen, which I found at Northern Light a couple of years back while doing research - and indexed very well, which is how I found it - was an online educational site that got the message across using "normal" HTML with Flash imbedded into the pages.

The main page was regular text, and the "presentation" elements were on interior pages, with the Flash imbedded within a framework of indexable, well written content. Not only was the graphical Flash presentation (with fancy text and visuals) aesthetically beautiful, but the movement added a riveting sense of drama.

What's needed graphically for print media, using elegant fonts, doesn't necessarily adapt to the internet. It's a different medium altogether, and the aesthetic concepts have to adapt within the limitations of the medium it's intended for. You couldn't have a website done the same way as a bus stop bench ad or a billboard, either. The nature of the medium has to dictate the form. This is where alternative technologies like Flash have their best use.

Macguru

2:55 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Nah Sinner_G,

All I said is "Start here". ;)

JayC

2:59 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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cloaking (errr, sorry, selectively delivering content) based on user agent

It's certainly an option. Remember that what would be delivered in both versions is exactly the same content -- but in one version the text is in image files and in the other it's html text. There's no attempt at deception involved.

But Marcia mentioned another good option: even without using Flash, an approach could be taken that would integrate graphic elements in which the "elegant font" is used to establish a look and tone for the site, while the important body text is html in whatever common font best compliments that look.

rcjordan

3:05 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You could use some hybrid of the image-span trick in css along with toggling divs, I guess. Still, every layer of complexity adds to the cost and maintenance burden.

Of course, the good news is that you'd have a lifetime job.

60grit

3:08 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thank you for all of your comments. I think that another problem is that there really isn't a whole lot of text on the site to begin with, it's basically the products with some introductions. The company doesn't want to waste time over-explaining the product (it's actually quite simple), they just want to let the products do the talking. Sounds like my site isn't a very good candidate for a search engine on any level. Any more suggestions?

Right now, our site is getting about 7,000 visits per month. We do quite a bit of public relations/news releases, and all of our collateral material has our site address on it. Our company is working really hard to build a strong brand image, and while I understand the comments about different formats for different mediums, I also want to bring a level of continuity with the website.

MonkeeSage

3:10 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What about divs with the plain text of the images, with a really low z-index, then place the pictures over with divs with a really high z-index? Not really spam I don't think since the text would be the same thing that the images say...

Jordan

claus

3:31 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just remembered another option, that's worth mentioning. If the font is the critical factor, then you could use an embedded font that gets downloaded to the browser using CSS. I found a quick 5-min tutorial on it here: [netmechanic.com...]

Otherwise i'll say - either add (more) (pure) text or deliver special pages to the spiders. Spiders are text-based, that's just the way it works, there's really no other thing to serve them than text.

With images, alt text is still a must, no matter what has been stated elsewhere in this thread (sorry, i will not compromize on that one ; )

/claus