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jjdesigns4u

3:48 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have been thinking that for Google the only meta that might matter is the TITLE tag.

Then while in another thread about this new penalty some one mentioned that haveing matching title and description tags may cause a down grade in your page.

I thought I knew the meta rules.

I always create a good title and repeat it in the DESCRIPTION tag and even the KEYWORD tag for good measure.

What meta tags matter to Google?

Should I not have the same info in all 3 tags?

Thanks!

Pricey

3:58 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It seems that the majority of advice from SEO specialists points to the Title tag being most important when optimising for google. Then description and body text, followed by keywords.

ncsuk

4:00 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Think id put the alt tags before the keywords as well.

annej

4:09 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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haveing matching title and description tags may cause a down grade in your page

I don't think it causes a down grade but sometimes Google uses your description in the snipit and it's good to have something more describing the page there. Something to help get searchers to choose your page to visit. Google seems to use snipits of the description when words in the search phrase match words in the description.

SEO practioner

4:40 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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JJ Designs...

Google don't even look at meta tags anymore. The only real important tag is still the TITLE tag: that one will really help you.

The description is important as it will write the snippet of text in the serps.

WebGuerrilla

4:58 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>The description is important as it will write the snippet of text in the serps.

On rare occasions depending on the actual search.

jjdesigns4u

5:00 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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THANKS!

annej

6:01 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Is there any evidence that it helps to make the description the same as the title? Otherwise it makes sense to make it a good short description since the person doing the search has already seen the title.

I'm curious as to how many people scan the snippets and title compared to just clicking on the serps list starting at the top. I know I scan but I may be unusual.

thereuare

6:25 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have NO meta tags at my site (not an optimization technique, just too much of a newbie to know).

Can somebody please give me an example of what i should include or to a site that will generate the tags for me (i think i recall some sites like that).

More importantly, where i my code do they go? (directly below <body>, <head>, etc)?

Thank you.

seofreak

7:03 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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<title> </title>
<meta name="description" content="">
<meta name="keywords" content="">
<meta name="robots" content="index, follow">
<meta name="country" content="">
<meta name="abstract" content="">
<meta name="language" content="EN">
<meta name="distribution" CONTENT="Global">
<meta name="rating" CONTENT="General">
<meta name="copyright" content= "">

These go between the <head> tag

All are optional but Title, Keywords, Descriptions, Robots are mostly used.

Hope

7:06 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have NO meta tags at my site (not an optimization technique, just too much of a newbie to know).
Can somebody please give me an example of what i should include or to a site that will generate the tags for me (i think i recall some sites like that).
More importantly, where i my code do they go? (directly below <body>, <head>, etc)?

Meta tags go in the <head> section of the page. The should read as follows:

<meta name="description" content="put your description here">
<meta name="keywords" content="put your keywords here">
<meta name="robots" content="index, follow">

Each page should have a set of meta tags that reflect the page it is on. Do not use the same one for all your pages.

annej

7:29 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've never thought of having a meta name="robots" content="index, follow"). Is it important to have? I only use it for 'nofollow'.

coconutz

7:38 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>I've never thought of having a meta name="robots" content="index, follow"). Is it important to have? I only use it for 'nofollow'.

Is Inktomi's default still "index,no follow" if there is no tag?

Using a Robots Meta Tag [searchengineworld.com]

  • Robot Meta Tag Options
    "Some search engine articles on Robots Meta tag say the predefined defaults are INDEX and FOLLOW, not true with Inktomi. The default with Inktomi is index,nofollow.
  • ogletree

    7:51 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    I have never seen a result that had the snippit be the description.

    sanuk

    8:00 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Hi,

    Is there a Golden-Rule or Fixed-Rule on the length of the following Tags:
    - Title - I use maximun 60 characters
    - Description I use maximun 200 characters
    - Keywords - I use maximun 160 characters

    Every tutorial and forum (even this forum) on the internet proposes different length for these 3 Tags.

    Secondly some say separate keywords by "1 space", others say by "comma space" and still others say only a "comma".

    Thanks and Regards
    Sanuk

    tedster

    8:09 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Google's use of meta description is not all that common, but it does happen and it has been reported here, off and on, for the past year. A site search on "Google meta description" turns up quite a few threads reporting on it.

    Also, in the past few months I've heard two different Google employees at two different conferences mention that Google DOES index the keywords meta tag. The Google algorithm does not currently give it much weight, if any at all, but they don't completely ignore it. They do collect the meta keywords data so they can do with as they will. And Google's will is always subject to change, as well we know.

    I still use the keywords meta tag on every page. I currently use it as a handy "notepad" to remind myself what kw's I was targeting on that page. I do not agonize over what I put there, and I don't stuff it. But I'm not going to drop a practice that could be useful, even if only in a small way.

    ogletree

    8:45 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    We use a content management sytem that has a place for keywords. I put text there that I want on the top of the page. We have an API that gets the keyword metatag and puts the contents at the top of the page. Quite handy. I really doubt that it is used for anything by anybody.

    g1smd

    9:58 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    I would add a !DOCTYPE to the beginning, something like:

    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">

    The <title> is important.

    You should define the Character encoding and the Content Language for the page, something like:

    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-gb">

    I like to disable the IE toolbar thingy so next is:

    <meta http-equiv="imagetoolbar" content="no">

    You need a description tag:

    <meta name="Description" content="Nice site or page description goes here">

    I still use Keywords although I know that very little uses them:

    <meta name="Keywords" content="put all your keywords in a list">

    I don't like the idea of smart tags, so bury it just in case the idea ever comes back:

    <meta name="MSSmartTagsPreventParsing" content="TRUE">

    The robots tag is added to pages that I don't want indexed or followed, but I know the default action is:

    <meta name="robots" content="index,follow">

    Hope that helps.

    SEO practioner

    11:28 pm on May 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Sanuk, your question is a very good one as I sometimes myself wonder wich is best... Maybe Google Guy or somebody else here would know...

    :-)

    martinibuster

    12:03 am on May 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Some search engine articles on Robots Meta tag say the predefined defaults are INDEX and FOLLOW, not true with Inktomi. The default with Inktomi is index,nofollow.

    That statement is a little off.

    Inktomi says [inktomi.com]:

    Following links: Slurp follows HREF links. It does not follow SRC links.

    Dynamic links: Slurp now has the ability to crawl dynamic links or dynamically generated documents. It will not, however, crawl them by default.

    If your Web site is based on dynamic links and you want your site to appear in our search engine, one approach is to have some static pages which have links to your dynamic pages.

    coconutz

    12:41 am on May 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Thanks martinibuster.

    mil2k

    8:17 am on May 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Since it's a general discussion i thought to bring this recent thread to focus :-
    Metatags are Not Dead, Long Live Metatags! [webmasterworld.com]

    Remember the context of the thread is different but it still is a good read!

    willamowius

    5:50 am on May 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    <meta name="country" content="">

    seofreak,
    I have never heard of this meta tag. Does Google or any other search engine really recognise it?

    seofreak

    12:02 pm on May 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    <META NAME="doc-type" CONTENT="Web Page">
    <META NAME="doc-class" CONTENT="Completed">
    <META NAME="doc-rights" CONTENT="Public Domain">
    <META NAME="classification" CONTENT="Business Supplies">
    <META NAME="Source" content="">
    <META NAME="revisit-after" content="30 days">

    There are even more than these I belive! :)

    No, google doesn't rely on them, but orthodox meta search engines do to some extent ..

    seofreak

    12:05 pm on May 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Ofcourse, normal search results wouldn't be based on them but advanced searches which ask you to select things like country, categories, etc... would

    Mohamed_E

    1:01 pm on May 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    <meta name="rating" CONTENT="General">

    I very much suspect that the above is not useful for labelling content. The more appropriate (and slightly more complex) approach is to use the PICS Ratings System [directory.google.com].