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Ranking Higher than the 'Official' Site?

Does your site rank higher for keywords than the 'real' site?

         

EliteWeb

4:53 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hello WebmasterWorld!

This is a survey, not asking for keywords which you rank in. I just started a site a few weeks ago, I'm ranking higher for keywords than the 'official' site for the product is. Ie: The makers of blue widgets, I outrank them for 'blue widgets'. One of the reasons I see me outranking is because they have a complete flash site. Another product I outrank the manufacture for they dont have flash, I see their site should show up find but still im higher than they are :D

How many of you outrank official sites with your site just by using your SEO tactics?

rcjordan

5:12 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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(RC raises hand)

In fact, over the years I've had a dozen or more official local, regional, and even state sites fold their sites into my network, so now I'm often lumped in with them as "one of" their official sites.

[edited by: rcjordan at 5:58 pm (utc) on May 1, 2003]

DrCool

5:42 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Nearly everything I do I end up outranking the "official" sites. Their sites generally aren't built to rank well which is fine by me.

SEO practioner

6:06 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The rewards of great SEO is what I say.

Optimize for your users and the engines will take care of the rest!

Mohamed_E

6:33 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My guess would be that "official" sites tend to depend more on branding (people typing URL into browser) than on SEs, so less effort at optimization.

Skylo

10:58 am on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yeah I agree with mohamed_e. Official sites are the sites 90% of the time with more money and so focus all their efforts on getting their name out there. If done correctly and over x amount of time i believe this can have a better affect in public recognition of ones brand.
In saying that i work for a company that is totally web based. We don't advertise a thing outside of the web and in our market we are the only people doing this.
Coincidentally we are the biggest generator of revenue. So we rank higher than the official sites who spend a hell of a lot getting their name out there.

If google went down tomorrow then i would be officially be stuffed.......

willybfriendly

4:48 am on May 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I outrank the "Official" site in every relevant term. But, that is not saying much, since the "official" site has abysmal rankings.

What is sad is that I sat on a committee that redesigned the offical site. Classic committee. The final design looks like a patchwork quilt. All the advice I tendered regarding SE awareness was totally ignored. When it went live it was lacking title and description tags. Of the three relevant domain names they own, they picked the worst and have the other two set up to redirect. Virtually all the navigation is done with JS rollovers. They use frames. And, they opted for a graphic intensive site with miniscule copy. In fact, the only text on the home page is the phrase "Support XXXX" right above an Amazon link.

This is a high PR5 site in a category that only returns 251,000 responses on the singular single key word, and 95.400 on the plural single key word.

It was one of those experiences that reminded me again of why I hate committees.

WBF

pageoneresults

5:17 pm on May 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sometimes this is very easy to do, especially if the official site is not optimized. I had a client a few years ago that I got ranked above the manufacturer of the product he was distributing. The manufacturer ended up suing my client. Long story...

All it takes is the right combination of the keyword phrase in the page title, heading and first couple of paragraphs on the page. It also helps to have the keyword phrase in links within the site.

martinibuster

5:34 pm on May 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm on the other side of the fence for this survey, as having optimized for the "official site."

We have some aggressive competitors/distributors, and while they cannot keep up in the race for the product name (WidgetThingy) they are giving me a good run for the misspelled version of our name: "Widget Thingy."

That said, I now have 3 pages in the top ten for the misspelling, and every month I'm gaining and these guys are sinking lower.

My take on this is that it depends on the SEO firepower behind the "Official Site" and perhaps more importantly, the commitment to SEO that the "Official Site" is willing to make.

There are a great many "Official Sites" who are more committed to branding, fancy graphics, and "marketing buzzwords" than they are to being found on the internet. Their loss, your gain.

ppg

2:21 pm on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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hehe, well the manufacturer of the products (and by extension the services) that our site sells is a big multinational (toolbar PR9 homepage). Usually when I do well for something specifically related to their product codes they get #1 and #2 (indented) and I get #3.

I've beaten them on a couple of longer and slightly more creative phrases though, most amusing! They don't sell direct, just through their distribution channel so I can't see it bothering them much having me snapping at their heels.

Macguru

2:29 pm on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have this site regrouping 27 small companies of wich only 19 have their own site. Within those, only 2 beat me on their own company name!

I have no merit. Most of them should think about replacing 'welcome to Adobe Golive' in title and 'your browser does not support frames' in body... ;)

Reflect

3:16 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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On one site I am running now our product pages are out ranking the "offfical" sites. It sort of makes me chuckle when I see our product first. I'm just waiting for one to complain. I figure I can turn the negative into a positive for cash flow into my pocket.

Brian