Double Header and Double Body not a Spam violation?

Spam violations tolerated?

[promis]

Suddenly a new page springs up at first position of Google search results for several popular search terms.The page had zero backlinks. I was curious and checked its code. Walla! It has double head and double body! Clear spam violations! Though this is something Googlebot should be able to spot easily, I reported it to Google via its relevant online form, about a week ago, but still the spammer keeps no. 1 position with Google's tolerance. The page is an awkward repetition of the key phrases targeted, most in header 1 code, that make a bad impression to the visitor, sadly still, with Google's tolerance. Pages with higher page rank, lots of legitimate backlinks, and user friendly content have dropped in SERPs.

Any comment from Googleguy or anybody?

[rcjordan]

>Any comment

Yes, there will be plenty more of them now. That'll be due to the WebmasterWorld exploit multiplier effect.

>Google via its relevant online form, about a week ago, but still the spammer keeps no. 1 position with Google's tolerance.

It's been noted time and time again here that the reporting process is slooooow and results are spotty. With billions of pages in the index, I'd give them a little more than a week to respond.

[heini]

>suddenly
Freshbot?

> double
what makes you think this causes the ranking?

>violation
couldn't find that in g's guidelines

does the double body show on the page?

Asssuming it works you have just initiated a new tidal wave of this thing rolling towards google's and any other search engine's index.

[promis]

rcjordan, thanks for the reply. Wouln't you think though that such an easy spotting of double head and body could be on Googlebot's autopilot? I'll tell you what: Spammers do such things, they may get away with it for a month or so, but meanwhile their affiliate links bring them lots of hard cash! I noticed that their domains are nothing important to keep, so they wouln't mind too much getting banned after they make a small fortune with their spamming technics! They'll soon be back with a fresh spam page on a fresh spam site and the story continues... This is bad for Google and too baaaaad for descent hard working webmasters!

[Nick_W]

but meanwhile their affiliate links bring them lots of hard cash!

Right, I'm out to start doubling up my tags and join some heavy weight affiliate programs... <nick starts sweating at the thought of easy money>.... ;)

Nick

[promis]

heini, I checked the page by the very trusted Bruce Clay tools. It was reported as double spam violation! Besides, can you give me a clue why a new page with zero backlinks and a temporary PR 5 would outrank PR 6 pages with lots of backlinks and decent content on the same subject?

<Does it show on the page?>
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If you mean the viewer readable text, no it doesn't. It shoes on the code however, and this is what Googlebot reads.

[heini]

Happens all the time with fresh pages, lots of info here to read back on.
What any tools report or not is pretty much worthless as to what any search engine regards as being spam or not. No clear cut rules to be found out there.

[promis]

heini, on theory you are right. However, if Google allows this, then PR is useless, backlinks are useless and we all start adding lots of heads and bodies till all hell breaks out!

[rcjordan]

Do I think it's spam? Yes, very likely. Doubling of tags, title tags in particular, is one of the oldest general exploits --definitely not confined to a Google issue alone.

You've nailed it, and reported it. Now, all you can do is wait for their system to work.

[pageoneresults]

There is another side to this double header/double body scenario.

I've come across a few sites during my research that had this. Come to find out, it was an improperly configured include or something similar that was causing a problem.

[makemetop]

>descent hard working webmasters!

"descent" means: falling - on the way down. Are you sure that's what you meant?

Seriously, I've seen sites around for years with these kind of coding errors. I've not seen it make 1 bit of difference to rankings. SEs read 1 title and 1 lot of body code no matter how many times you repeat them - that's it!

[promis]

makemetop, thanks for the correction. Decent is certainly what I meant. The extra "s" came up unitentionally. I am fully aware of the word.

<Seriously, I've seen sites around for years with these kind of coding errors. I've not seen it make 1 bit of difference to rankings>.

I don't want to doubt you on this, but it does not answer to my question how, a page without backlinks even from its own site, with more than 50% of its viewable text as header 1 and 2 can outrank all the other long established pages. It may fall back after the next Google dance, until then, however, they benefit from a drawback in Google's ranking policy. Unless this is an intentional strategy by Google to give new pages a chance to be seen, which I doubt, since it endangers the whole philosophy of Google's pagerank system, that brought Google to the top in the first place.

[Brett_Tabke]

>should be able to spot easily

Seen some of the junk code being spewed out by the gui editors lately? There was a major wysiwug program just a year ago, that had a similar bug. If you tried to edit the meta tags and then re-edit the file in the editor, you'd get double bodies.

I guess I see this stuff all the time since I use Opera all the time. It's so easy to slice out the css and graphics from a page, that bogus html just jumps off the page.