Quick Question...About Inktomi

I just paid for Inktomi submission. Do they do a deep spider of the site?

[wonderbread]

Hey everyone. I just paid for inclussion in Inktomi. It seems that they are only indexing the URL I gave them and not the individual pages within the domain. Does anyone know whether or not Inktomi does a deep spider when you pay for submission?

Thanks for all the help. This site rocks!

Cheers,

Nick Ladd

[Macguru]

Iktomi will gladly take any URL you pay for spidering. Any URL being a specific page, if you want a 100 pages in the index you have to cough out money for every single page.

I stopped using them for more than 95 % of clients. No ROI and sometimes noticing paid for pages beeing pulled for no good reason. I wish them out of the business.

[JayC]

Macguru, I don't think that was the question! I think wonderbread was asking whether paying for inclusion of one page would lead to Inktomi spidering off of that page and including the entire site.

And, wonderbread, the answer is no. While it's possible to end up in Inktomi without paying by being found by their spider, the "paid" database doesn't seem to be used to seed spidering.

[dazz]

to come to inktomi's defence, i paid for my URL to be included and it got hardly any hits...but recently since the latest INK update it had spidered my site and included a fair few unpaid pages into its database, its all about time with INK i feel and now the wait seems to be paying off a little! i think Macguru is being abit harsh to INK and i feel that they are trying to improve, only time will tell!

[john316]

>>Does anyone know whether or not Inktomi does a deep spider when you pay for submission? <<

They don't.

[Macguru]

Thanks for rephrasing me JayC. Not beeing a native English speaker, I did not find the right words to say excly what you wrote, plus a few personal comments.

If your in some niche market, Ink may be still worth it. But if you are in some high demand market, I believe, Ink gives some unfair advantage to some 'partners' of them buying big volumes.

Your site can be fully crawled if your are in some niche market.

[JayC]

Yeah, sorry, MacGuru, now that I re-read your post it really does answer the question! My fault, I misunderstood your approach to it.

[Marcia]

They won't spider because of the submission; it's just for the one page. But they've been including some sites that have no paid at all.

The advantage is the 48 hours, which is definitely worth it if the numbers are right and there are few or no LS listings.

[thejenn]

I usually suggest that my clients at least pay for an indexing of the home page. It gets them in the index for a few phrases and can serve to draw some traffic while we wait for a full index.

Since Ink, like Google, has a version of link popularity factored into their algo, it's important to consider incoming links for an Ink listing as well. The side bonus of this approach is that Slurp will fully spider and index a site that he finds on his own. Thus...if you can gain an incoming link from a site that has been included in the index for FREE, you will eventually find yourself being more fully spidered.

[erikv]

For what it's worth: I paid for a year through ineedhits.com and have since found they do not spider anything but the one page I submitted.

Hits so far (4 months): 4

Pretty worthless IMMHO.

[gsx]

You only submit the important 3 or 4 pages. 4 pages cost about $115/year. If you can get 2280 visitors per year, it is cheaper than Overture could dream of. (Sounds like a lot, but it is an average of only 6.2 visitors per day). If you can get 10 visitors per day, it works out at $0.03 per click.

I often get somewhere between 4 to 15 clicks per day (it does vary a lot). Mainly from MSN. That's 9.5 clicks per day average - costing me $0.033 per click. Better than Overture.

[Macguru]

I feel partly responsible of this thread sliding off topic. I believe wonderbread got his answer: You must pay for every pages you want included in the index.

Wathever it will bring you visitors or not is another very complicated topic.

[thejenn]

You must pay for every pages you want included in the index.

Unless of course you manage to get spidered for free through incoming links. But never count on this...it could happen in 2 months, or it could happen in 12 months.

The only guarentee is to pay.

[Macguru]

>>The only guarentee is to pay.

But there is no garantee + 3000 $ worth of pages wont be pulled at any time and for no valid reason. I happened to one of my clients.

[thejenn]

But there is no garantee

Guarentee of listing, not of placement. If you pay for the URL and they don't list it, they'll have to give you your money back.

[Macguru]

>>they'll have to give you your money back.

Do you smoke exclusively payed duty stuff? :)

Treatment of Paid Content
Inktomi designed its Index Connect and Search Submit programs to improve the quality of its search databases and thereby enhance the search user experience. Therefore, URLs submitted via Index Connect and Search Submit are subject to these rules and any other additional rules or policies adopted by Inktomi from time to time.

Ho they will list them all right, for a few months. I believe if you are talented enough to craft killer pages there, (and step on some toes) all investment made there could be very short lived. If you get high demand for a given keyword, and dont belong in Ink's 'family', just spend elswhere, or dont pay at all.

Fact is, there was such a (justified) loss of confidence from payed listings that the database got stale and they are starting to index for free on broader markets.

My 2 cents.ca