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i've been trying Goclick, Kanoodle and Google.
Goclick brought me 100% ROI (related to net margin after all the cost,PPC included), Google 600%, and Kanoodle 300%.
lately, Google is up to 800% (after increasing my bid and ejecting traffic from Google partners).
Goclick is down to 10% since i promote a different site, but same products.
Kanoodle is down to -99%.
i suffer losses from click fraud of Kanoodle for a week and just wrote to them after receiving so many GHOST clicks. $50 is burning out daily by Ghosts, clicks counted by Kanoodle but none of my counters!
its really shameful and after the end of my last deposit, i move out to Findwhat to try it even if the click fraud is reported very high by most of its customers.
i ask for a refund that is highly justified.
will the click fraud ever stop hiting advertisers in PPC marketing world? Overture and Google pure search clicks are fabulous, but all the rest produces 0% ROI, all the findwhat, kanoodle, brainfox, mamma are just living on fake traffic from Paid-to-Read programs and their newbies always more numerous!
i am such an idiot, i put again money in Kanoodle fraud scheme and lost again ALL my investment for high converting products that would have never produced 100% pure loss in any engine like Overture or Google. even Goclick and Findwhat are not that bad :(((
NEVER NEVER AGAIN!
pls if u lost 100% once, dont even try again and again, bc its pure waste of time :(((((((((
Kanoodle is total gar.age!
good luck everyone!
What happened with Kanoodle? What led up to the loss?
I think Kanoodle is still worth a shot for PPC search. Try their $10 free trial (some of their affiliate sites list only a $5 trial but you can find $10 trials if you look around), monitor the traffic and click quality during the trial and judge for yourself before you commit any cash to it.
Also, definitely use unique tracking links for each keyword if you can, so you can see if some keywords convert better than others. They definitely do for us.
Later,
-Chris
Nothing is the answer. Na, I'm going to stick with Adwords or try Overture.
For example, business.com has been pretty good for us, in the B2B space. Their 40 cent per click minimum is not really that scary to us since we can pay up to $8.00 per click for a high quality targetted lead. On Kanoodle, we can get keywords for 5 cents per click that cost us over $7 on Google and Overture. And yes, we have found that the conversion rate from visitor to lead is lower on Kanoodle than on Google, but still worthwhile based on the value of a lead to us.
Your mileage may vary, of course, and how you choose to market your business is entirely up to you.
Regards,
-Chris
You funny, even if you cain't speel so good. If you're referring to me, got that one wrong too. I do internet marketing for a $300 million B2B software company. For PPC, I use Enhance, Overture, Google, FindWhat, business.com, Kanoodle and Industry Brains. For content distribution, I use IT Toolbox, Bitpipe, Industry Brains and CNET's Tech Republic. Of course, I also do organic SEO and we currently have around 1200 Top 20 spots for our strategic keywords across Google, MSN, Yahoo, etc. (that we know of).
I measure every click and periodically check the pipeline to see how the leads are progressing toward closed business from various sources. I've been doing this since 1997 and have a pretty good idea how to measure and track this stuff.
Just because someone's experience and opinion is different from your own doesn't make it wrong and doesn't make them a "shill."
Have a nice day.
-Chris
Kanoodle’s traffic on some key words are total fraud in my opinion and as soon as I was to disable the key words in question we still kept getting billed for up to 3 hours after the fact. Kanoodle responded that after a key word is disabled it should be inactive within about 15 minutes. I do believe that other keywords we are using are being used fraudulently also be they are much harder to analyze with a quick overview.
I also believe that seek99 is in some way still connected with Kanoodle or one of their partners. It is December 8, 2004 and I believe we are still getting fraudulent traffic from seek99. I’ve got the evidence.
Once we disabled our keyword that was in question it was very clear that another keyword was in a sense being “picked” and being used fraudulently. I’m sure they are not being “picked” but it was very clear that traffic irregularities were pretty much instant on another keyword.
Once we disabled the most obvious keyword in question, we started looking at the second most obvious keyword that was raising red flags. Once the new keyword history was investigated we seen a 500% increase in traffic with no sales, no e-mails, no customer feedback, no phone calls and no entries to a free draw on the home page, that generally gets 25 entry’s per 200 visitors, 4 sales, 10 phone calls and a few customer feedback requests.
Just think over a 1000 visitors in one day, no sales, no e-mails, no phone calls and no entries to a “free draw” that generally is a very popular part of our site.
Our title and description is so clear that it looks, feels, tastes, and says were only selling honey and only click here if you want to buy honey with no tax, free shipping, all at the price of water. (FYI were not selling honey?
In my opinion the fraudulent traffic in question was coming from kanoodle's partners and or partners of partners. Here is the search engines in my logs that I believe were abusing the keywords in question. They showed up every few minutes using the abused keywords.
ww.seek99.com
www.blowsearch.com
www.searchyourpockets.com
67.15.36.38.com
All our click abuse and fraudulent traffic problems started when we starting using kanoodle. We are lucky we are in a specialty industry with only 1 product for sale. This made it much easier for our company to see how clear the fraud was. I feel terrible for others that are in a more generally industry that uses keywords that are in a sense targeted more heavily.
Why am I talking the time to try and explain this,,, well it’s because I’m tired of being taken advantage of by kanoodle. I get more clicks on a single keyword in one day from kanoodle that I get from yahoo and goggle put together in 6 months. The problem is that it’s garbage traffic that is burning money faster than you can burn it yourself.
Mike
The conversion rate has been considerably lower with Kanoodle than ever the worst-performing other PPC search engines. They're even worse than ePilot and that's saying something.
So watch out - ask where exactly your ads will be and if they won't tell you where your ads are, it's a sure sign of trouble.
they have Alexa rank 11,000 . thanks to the several hundreds of affiliates they have. i found their posts on some forums, some were not getting paid by Seek99 for the 10000s of fake clicks they were sending...
I measure the total costs of the campaigns on each search engine or content syndication provider and divide this by the number of actual leads or "acquisitions" we get from each vendor. In our experience, the cost per aquisition of Kanoodle is about twice the cost on Google and Overture, even though the keywords on Kanoodle are much cheaper. The cost is still lower than the VALUE of a lead for us so it's still marginally profitable for us to have listings with Kanoodle.
In my experience, for the particular campaigns we've done so far in 2004, the cost per aquisition (from low to high) goes like this (best values at the top):
* Bitpipe (content syndication, such as white papers)
* CNET's TechRepublic (hosted "micro-site")
* Knowledgestorm (paid portal listing + tool sponsorship)
* Industry Brains (PPC and context-based content listings)
* ITToolbox (content syndication + micro-site)
* Jupiter Media (content syndication)
* Enhance Interactive(PPC)
* FindWhat (PPC)
* business.com (PPC)
* Overture (PPC)
* Looksmart (PPC)
* Google (PPC and content listings)
* Kanoodle (PPC)
* Intelligent Enterprise (banner ad)
Banner ads just haven't been that effective for us in terms of generating leads, though they do have some benefits in brand exposure. The search and content listings are all over the map in terms of cost-per-acquisition.
Again, your mileage may vary. These results are based on our keyword and content syndication campaigns over the past year.
Hope that helps.
-Chris
After a close look at our company’s new traffic with kanoodle, watching our web communications, analyzing our visitors, and our web traffic tracking system it was very clear to me that we were a victim of click fraud.
Mike,
Obviously, we want all of our advertisers to be happy with their campaigns with us.
We are in the process of some aggressive modifications to our KeywordTarget network to make sure we continue to drive targeted leads for you and others.
We would like to talk with you directly about your experience with our network. I have sent you sticky mail, let's touch base and discuss furthur.
Thanks so much,
KanoodleGal
