php pages and google rank

How will this type of page rank in google

[mark1]

Hi all
I have/was volunteered to help a non-profit with their website. They paid a lot for the first site and from the looks of it they were hosed. I am not a webmaster but have produced many web pages and really like the flexibility of php. All these pages were personal so ranking was never a big deal to me. I have to pay close attention to rank here. The existing website has external links form other non-profits and even city guides so external links are OK. I have searched this site for a couple of days and read different things about dynamic pages getting a lower ranking. I have 50 pages to create now and eventually 100+. I decided to use php template. Would the following example do well with google spider?

Each page would have unique words added to the title keywords.
Each page would have unique content.
All the pages would have the same form; banner, left navigation, content, sometimes right content, footer. I have the template page call header, menus etc because some of the pages have right navigation or content as well.

thepage.php

$title="aditional title and keywords"
$somecontent="basic html code"
$somemorecontent="basic html code"
require(thetemplate.php)
 

template.php

require(header.php)
require(menu.php)
$content
if true $somemorecontent
elseif true require(rightnav.php)
requier(footer.php)
 

Thanks
Mark

[rojer_31]

Hi,
I am no SEO guru :) But I have been running <snip> for over a year now, and the majority of my visitors come from google. The site has over 600 pages, generated dynamically using the Smarty templating engine and for my targeted keywords (bartpe, bartpe plugins, etc) I get ranked usually within the top 5.

What I am trying to say, is that a dynamic site getting a lower ranking is a myth, infact, when the content changes quicker, google also spiders more frequently!

When you are trying to woo the search engines, first make sure that you get a set of keywords from the organisation that the website is really about. Make sure that you mention these in all rlevant pages' meta tags.
Also instead of "click here" links, make the link more descriptive of the page.
I think your suggested example is fine, as far as I can see!
You might hang about an seo forum somewhere for some useful tidbits, that will go a long way in helping your site.

I hope I've been helpful!

[edited by: ergophobe at 4:12 pm (utc) on April 10, 2005]
[edit reason] Personal URL snipped as per User Agreement [/edit]

[irunsoft]

I've heard that some search robots cannot index page with parameter.

I mean, the robots thinks that is the same page. It is better to use mod_rewrite to rewrite your url as a new page.

Here is an example of what I mean: [domaine.com...]

Should be write like:
[domaine.com...]

[daremedy]

I'm just starting with SEO and all of this information is exactly what I was looking for.

[mark1]

Thanks for the quick reply. That is encouraging news rojer_31. As far as parameters go the webpages do not pass parameters. The file thepage.php is the file that is indexed. It has a set of variables defined that are passed to the template file when it grabed with require(). The organization does not have database access so I could not use a template filled with database query.

Thanks

[jatar_k]

Welcome to WebmasterWorld mark1,

I would suggest you look around the site, there are a ton of threads that will help, try this for starters
Successful Site in 12 Months with Google Alone [webmasterworld.com]

that is only the tip of the iceberg, there are also these 2 as well

Building the Perfect Page - Part I - The Basics [webmasterworld.com]
Building the Perfect Page - Part II - The Basics [webmasterworld.com]

there are tons more but those should give a very good basis

[AlexK]

FWIW...

My original site is a .co.uk, is pure html and has not been updated for 21 months (all development work has gone into the second, .com site).

The .com site now has 5-figure number of pages, is php-mysql and originally was a (manual) transferance of all the info from the .co.uk. All updates go into the .com site.

Hits on the .com have fallen each month since Dec 04, whilst the .co.uk has remained absolutely steady. The .com *used* to get twice the number of hits compared to the .co.uk, but currently gets less.

My conclusion? Google hates PHP sites.

[jatar_k]

>> Google hates PHP sites

that just isn't true, no offense. I have ranked tons of them over the years.

[mark1]

Thanks for the links jatar_k. Greate info! I missed the whole "New to Web Development" forum.

Thanks again.

[AlexK]

jatar_k:

>> Google hates PHP sites
that just isn't true, no offense. I have ranked tons of them over the years.

(my emphasis)

No offense taken. My PHP site also ranked very well over the years. My point is that currently it ranks below my HTML site. I find this bizarre, would love to know why, but simply report the facts. I would agree that the conclusion is bizarre, but no more bizarre than the facts.

Another very interesting, and also bizarre, fact to recall is the way that--on more than one occasion--any search for an 'index.php' (or even one report of 'anything.php') page would bring up a Google page reporting a virus infection. You will recall that this was related to the efforts to frustrate the phpBB2 hacks.

[ironik]

If it is true and php pages receive a penalty for just being 'php' you could always change the file extension back to .html .htm (or anything else for that matter) and use a htaccess directive to make them act transparently as PHP scripts:

AddType application/x-httpd-php .html .htm

I think there is something on the php site about this...