Hands up those with new pages appearing in AV's index recently.

[engine]

I've not seen much turning up, even though the spidering has been frequent. The results are not even buried, they are just not getting in. Could this be the way to force sites to pay for listing?
Hands up those with new pages appearing in AV's index recently?

[conor]

We still recommend Altavista to our clients, but only via paid inclusion. The last figures I have as to AV's market share show it having something like 3.9% of SE traffic, thus we dont give it much importance and concentrate on google !! Does anyone have an up to date comprehensive list of SE Market share or is there a previos (recent)posting on the subject ?

[agerhart]

The market share stats are available at Search Engine Watch

[ulstrup]

The good:
AV is still spidering and new Scooter clones still appear (as far as I know):
Search on WmW, searchenginewatch and fantomaster returned zero for this one: Scooter_trk3-3.0.3

The Bad:
Submitted pages are in the database, but not on SERPS. Only submitted pages are in the database, no deepcrawl-AND-indexing since who knows when.

The Ugly:
One site with just about 250 old pages (1998-2000) indexed and showing up on SERPS was down for 5 month and still has good rankings and has lost little in referrers during that period.

Initial post by engine confirmed.

[engine]

Ulstrup, interesting, thank you.

Only time will tell how this works out.

I'd invite an AltaVista representative to contribute to our discussions. Perhaps they would like to throw some light on the facts we see before us?

[ulstrup]

Engine: "Only time will tell how this works out"
- Yes, and AV seems to have all the time in the world...

An AV rep. would be great, after all this discussion is very much in their interest... Content is King goes for both SE's and SEO.

[George]

I have had nothing included, and plenty removed from AV, (well one site) as it was down for a week. Never got it back again, despite the fact it is listed in all the right places. The ransom note has been unavailable for me today. Anyone else had that problem?

George

[engine]

I've invited AltaVista to join us.

[heini]

>Submitted pages are in the database, but not on SERPS

Ustrup, those pages are not just buried on #200 or so, but do not show up in searches? You just find them by typing in the url?

[ulstrup]

heini

I have the (unique) company name in the title, doing a search on this, shows 2 records in serps. "More pages from mydomain.com" shows all indexed pages (6) which all has been submitted via the random text submissions. The site has about 40 pages.

Doing a 4-5 word search - the excact title of not indexed pages - shows nothing.

[rogerd]

>>I've invited AltaVista to join us. <<

We'll be on our best behavior... :)

[heini]

rogerd, heīs already here...
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum1/790.htm [webmasterworld.com]

[Ove]

New site listed it took about 3 mounths free submit i dont got any position but the site is there!!!!! wow

I will follow this up and see how long it will take to get a position

/Ove

[oLeon]

Last pages appeared at the beginning of september (submitted in july). We submitted thousands of pages, and almost all of them went into the index, but they are buried in the results.
There was no spider on these pages again like Scooter-3W or so. Only the ping-spider (as I call it) Scooter/1.0 had a look immediately after the puzzle-submission. That seems to be enough for them to appear.
I assume AV will have good reason to sell their trusted feed and the paid-inclusion program. If I had share of them, I would welcome it.

Thousands of pages (exactly 63234) had been spidered by a lot of different scooter-spiders, but none of them went in to the index.

[Crazy_Fool]

I've just checked back through my records for one site I look after.

I submitted 5 pages on 18th June, followed by 5 per week until the end of August. Searching for this site by URL shows all pages listed. Searching on any keywords does not show the site anywhere within the 30,000 results.

And this is a site which ranks within top 3 spots on Google, Lycos, Excite, Hotbot, Alltheweb and others. No tricks, no funny business, no doorway pages, no spamming.

4 months and still no sign of AV showing this site in SERPS ....

[Snipper]

I had two marketing campaigns which started in August. At the end of August I had 3 free submissions showing up in AV for one campaign and about 10 for the other.

Begin September I used the paid inclusion to submit the doorway page of the campaign with 10 free results.

Both sites were multiple times spidered by multiple UA of AV.

At this moment I have good results for the site with the paid inclusion, but for the other campaign only the 3 pages which were already indexed are showing up.

Another annoying thing about the paid inclusion is that it only shows the link of the paid inclusion for many competitive keywords instead of the optimized page.

Or they're replacing all results of a site with the paid inclusion page, or the paid inclusion page (doorway page) with only links to the optimized pages is enough to be high ranked at AV...

Note that ignoring AV isn't the solution either as a lot of local SE's (almost all) in Belgium return AV results.

[Crazy_Fool]

Note that ignoring AV isn't the solution either as a lot of local SE's (almost all) in Belgium return AV results.

Snipper, do those pages of yours which don't show up in AV show up in the Belgian search engines ? I've had nothing show up after submission via the ransom note, although one page submitted that way was found through the AltaVista drop down menu on AskJeeves UK (www.ask.co.uk), although that menu is no longer there ... the Mirago menu is still there though.

Have you got a list of Belgian search engines I could look for my sites on ?

[heini]

>Have you got a list of Belgian search engines

Hey Crazy_Fool, itīs nearer than you think ;)
Belgique searchengines and directories [webmasterworld.com] including contributions from snipper in the European forum.

[Snipper]

Crazy_Fool, they are just using AV to display their www results. So if you're not listed in AV, you're not listed in the Belgian search engines either.

I'm going to try the paid inclusion for the other site as well, to see if there will be any difference. Will keep you posted! ;)

[Crazy_Fool]

Hey Crazy_Fool, itīs nearer than you think
Belgique searchengines and directories including contributions from snipper in the European forum.

thanks heini, i forgot all about that forum !

[Crazy_Fool]

thanks snipper. good luck with the paid inclusion ...

[seth_wilde]

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