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The new submissions are so badly buried on Alta that I'll try anything at this point. I spent alot of time trying to figure this out two weeks ago.
I think the new submissions are going into a db where almost everything of the page is stripped away, and only the url, title, and description and (maybe) the top 5 keywords on the page are saved. No phrases, no minor keywords - nothing. Then it only matches that page if it is a perfect 100% match and it doesn't have alternatives from the "real db".
I can not find any of our new pages by any other means than a perfect match of kw's in the description. It isn't returning kw's on the page at all.
Anyone else seeing that, or can you find embedded page phrases or keywords on new submissions? Anything at all to suggest that Alta is actually indexing the page?
They are there alright, but there is almost no chance of anyone finding them.
The first question is of course... why? The second question is whether it is worth the chance of submitting at all. The third question is - how great is the risk of submitting to individual country AVs?
To the first question, I agree with comments made by others. AV must be doing this for a reason. The most likely reason is a precursor to charging like Ink. How many of us would not pay to have the sites we have already submitted unburied?
This is not particularly ethical on AV's part of course, but looking at their short term profit focus of recent months it is a distinct possibility, IMHO.
The second and third questions are related. I have submitted a host of important sites via the ransom note method. I have now, belatedly, stopped submitting at all.
Whether submitting is good or bad of course depends entirely on what AV does next. Is the buriel a long term feature or just temporary? If long term, how the hell do they intend to update their index... crawling only? What when they find a buried site by crawling?
Lots of questions - virtually no answers. The result is therefore that there is too little info to measure how great a risk of submission actually is.
The third question, on individual country submission, I have no insight on at all. Anybody help on this? Do direct submissions actually get in? Are they buried? Will it impact the main DB?
I personally don't know, but would welcome a debate.
The underlying current is certainly that major changes are afoot. I can't see that this approach by AV is tenable in the long term, but will as ever tell.
>The third question, on individual country submission,.. Do direct submissions actually get in? Yes, reasonably quickly.
>..Are they buried? No.
>..Will it impact the main DB? Not at all, that I have seen.
On AV US, however, my own site is receiving its' first really deep crawl for the first time in a year and my primary key phrase(s) seems to be rising steadily. Something is going on, and my money is on pay-for-spidering for new submissions. This all seems very much like the Ink situation last June with 'best of web' sites leaping to the top and new submissions sinking without trace.
It seems like AV might be going to the pfp or something to that affect. Has anyone had any luck with AV.
At least with Ink, if you don't want to pay for a new site, you can link to it from elswhere, and it will eventually be spidered... AV just seems h*ll bent on destrying the relevance and currency of their DB either way.
By the time they get done shooting themselves in the feet they'll have lost so much traffic, any PTP scheme they come up with won't have a foot left to stand on... ;)
I get a warning when I try. It has been like this for days now. This is the warning I get from av.uk:
"WARNING: When we tried to obtain your URL, we got an error. If this is a 404 ("Not Found") then the site will be removed from the index (this may also occur if your server is down briefly). If you have misspelt it then just resubmit it."
Dosn't matter what url I submit or what local version I try.
Edited by: Ted
yes, i can always submit on the french version, but i can't use the US version, i'm redirect to the french one.
Fortunately Brett's links work alway for me, but for how many time ??
