New Altavista graphic submission code [part 2]

The altavista saga continues.

[Dumpy]

[this is continued from Part 1 [webmasterworld.com]]

Has anyone tested the five submission amount? Such as, submitting 10 or 20 or 100 pages within a domain at one session. I read where someone asked AV and they said submit as many as you wish. I have been banned so many times I don't trust them! I have been unbanned, banned, unbanned, etc. My hits double, drop in half, double, drop in half, etc. Suddenly Google-yahoo loves me, and AV hates me....they are driving me crazy...I think I will buy another 400 domains and start over!

[JD]

They actual count the submissions down as you enter them.

[Woz]

Yes they count down your five page submissions per code at the end of which they suggest you obtain a new code for more submissions.

So I think the question is will they penalise you for hand submitting say 100 pages over 20 codes in the one day? I would suspect not if they are pointing you back to getting a new code every five pages given that to enter 100s of pages manually would be grinding work. But do we have any concrete evidence?

Onya
Woz

[olias]

Well I submitted 45 pages from one domain yesterday so I'll let you know whether they show up or I get banned.

[oLeon]

Did anybodey notice, that the submit at Altavista-Austria and AV-Switzerland ends on AV.com...?! Now also people of these Europaen countries has to type in manually...

[miles]

"submitted 45 pages from one domain yesterday "

I am going to bet you are going to get banned. For the most part (IMO) AV has the submission code to 5 for a reason. Before AV changed one or two submissions per day per domain was good, but never 45 for the same domain in the same day. I think the most I have done is 5 under the same domain in one day currently and I am seeing some results.

[rogerd]

I'm pretty cautious with AV also, but I have to believe if 5+ submissions got you banned, they wouldn't suggest you get a new code to add more. Instead, they could simply say, thanks, if you need to submit more, come back tomorrow. If the planned to ban 5+ submissions, what would the logic of the current procedure be? Evil Search Engine: "Let's place the forbidden fruit in front of these poor, naive users... when they submit an extra page, we'll zap 'em forever!" Seems unlikely...

[bigjohnt]

Why would they give you a link for additional URLs and a new submission code, if they didn't want more than 5?
My guess is that they don't really care. They've slowed down spam submissions with this approach, and can <pure speculation> filter the submissions for significantly similar pages.

I am submitting only 10 per domain per day, just in case.

[Steph]

> Did anybodey notice, that the submit at Altavista-Austria and AV-Switzerland ends on AV.com...?! Now also people of these Europaen countries has to type in manually...

same for altavista.fr

[Woz]

> Did anybodey notice, that the submit at Altavista-Austria and AV-Switzerland ends on AV.com...?!

Does that signal perhaps the end of the AV Europe Database???

Onya
Woz

[vis]

"Does that signal perhaps the end of the AV Europe Database??? "

Feels like it doesn't it. Note the spread of image thumbnails in worldwide results on the regional AVs listed above. started with Ireland. [webmasterworld.com]

If there is going to be one database, will AV.com begin filtering out foreign TLDs and offering a worldwide option like the regional versions?

[oLeon]

>Does that signal perhaps the end of the AV Europe Database???

I donīt think so, even if AV has fired [biz.yahoo.com] its europaen managers.
We were in contact with the german office for different reasons, but now we should talk to the headquarter in USA. I really donīt know if the next step is to shut the europaen-index down...

> submitted 45 pages from one domain yesterday
We submitted up to 20 from one domain without any problems, and we submitted up to 100 from different domains, blended within one submission code (i.e. within every code we submitted different domains). The got into the index.

[markd]

I wonder if they will implement a 'pan-world' algo?

In my experience, the algo for AV.co.uk is a lot different for AV.com.

Presumably they would 'standardise' with the .com version.

With regard to multiple submissions, I've heard of so many colleagues getting completely banned for this I always stick to 5 in a 24hr period.

[olias]

Oooops, forgot to follow up to my post here.
(being the one who submitted 45 pages from my domain...)

Well I didn't get banned and most of the pages showed up in the index (not very well ranked) within about three weeks. About a month later Scooter finally decided my site was crawl worthy and has now indexed over 500 pages. My rankings seem to be slowly rising and yesterday i got almost 600 hits from them!

I should add that the crawl of my site seemed to be triggered by a crawl of ODP links because in some cases i have the same page listed twice, one of which has the URL in my ODP format... which seems to confuse the case sensitive altavista...

So on the whole i'm not willing to risk pulling a stunt like that again, but i may have got away with it ;)

Cheers

Dave

[Dumpy]

I just perused my stats for 350 domains....on the Love-Like-Hate scale I use to rate where I am with the engines...I find Google hates me, Excite loves me, MSN loves me, and AV hates me. It seems to change every couple of months...I gave up on doing any "optimization" or submissions several months back.