New DB results

[luckynh]

Just tried a few SERP's and it looks like there is a new DB in place.

www.MYSITE.com was 40 yesterday and now is #2 for the same KW
submitted date was 1-19-01
Last modified on: 9-Jan-2001 - 13K bytes

It looks like the are using the same algo as Dec/Nov time frame with the new submmted pages listed.

Any one seeing this?

Lucky

[rcjordan]

>click-pop doubts

I have those same doubts, but I know the competitors' pages that are showing up on my SERP during these rotations. It wouldn't be too hard to factor in 3rd party click stats. You mentioned LS, GoTo is a partner now and I saw a top GoTo bidder show up at position 4 or 5 earlier today. Between LS and GoTo one could draw a fairly good composite score.

Lucky, I'm the same way. Top 10 just hasn't been bringing them in.

[seth_wilde]

"Between LS and GoTo one could draw a fairly good composite score"

I don't think they would use data from goto....It's just not very accurate since the click thru's depend on money not popularity. And the more I think about LS the more problems I see.

The entire looksmart database is such a small fraction of the size of AV's. When you take in to consideration that only the paid looksmart submissions are showing tracking strings....it seems almost impossible for AV to use this small amount of data to accurately compare sites in such a huge database.

"i dont see much traffic increase"
"Lucky, I'm the same way. Top 10 just hasn't been bringing them in."

This is something I've been meaning to talk about, but since it's off this threads topic I'm starting a new thread [webmasterworld.com]

[Marcia]

>But how do I get to Marcia's "old hippie central" anyway?
Stand out by the curb, she'll pick you up. Look for a beat-up yellow VW van held together by bumper stickers most of them of the "Make Love, Not War" variety.

Nah, the old VW ragtop that used to tear down the canyons bit the dust in the early 70's, but I've got a 1969 VW squareback I'll never part with - all it needs is psychedelic curtains.

Hippie Central is in Foo - where else?

With not even one page added to my site for as far back as I can remember, there are now 41 pages, including more of those that are a full-page display of background graphics with NO TITLE. There were 24 or 26 in there before.

The main index page has remained in the same spot forever (with the exception of when the Italian site overtook it back in December)- LOL I call it "my spot at AV", with about double the results listed for the category now - over 225K, there were 117K.

And the index page of my graphics subdirectory is also holding fast, same spot for ages, except that for free background graphics it now shows over 19 million sites listed - which I do not think is at all possible. There was a miniscule fraction of that number previously showing, only a few thou if I remember correctly.

[jilly]

As of today we have lost our top ten spot, which for nearly a year was constantly at #1. This is for a very competitive kw phrase. :( We show many pages in the database across most of our domains, but we seem to be losing our status as more pages get "added".

None of the pages shown are new, although we have added many as we've added a new catalog to our inventory. Nothing is entered after December 2000. We are getting little to no traffic from AV even from sites that are still listed in the top ten.

[rcjordan]

Well, my AV SERP Du Jour now has 610k pages found and I have spots 7, 8, and 10. Little traffic from it, though. I am now trying to mentally assign AV to the "second tier" engines but it's very hard to accept that it just isn't performing. This is sad. In some ways, Disney did the right thing by putting a bullet through GO and putting it out of its misery.

[grnidone]

I noticed that the most recent additions came from December 2000. The earliest came from January 2000. Has anyone had a more recent crawl date?

-G

[English_Boy]

If you've had some pages dropped bar your home page, take a quick look now. They've resolved their quirks and I've just had hundreds of pages added after being dropped.

I Like :-)

However, I am deeply upset with AltaVista.com and it should be burnt......no traffic, slow, dodgy results and dodgy SERPs

;-(

Long Live GoogleBot
********************

e n g l i s h b o y - i'm from the UK where it's dull,snowy and pigs are wandering round with foot and mouth.....

[Robert Charlton]

I've just noticed changes for several sites, and think there's been an update in the last day or so.

A site last modified on 12-Jan wasn't getting picked up. AV was still listing two versions back, then in early Feb finally listed one version back... so I submitted the index page on 13-Feb, and I noticed tonight that the entire new site seems to be indexed and listed.

On the same page of results, last-modified dates for two other sites are listed as 27-Apr-2007 and 6-Mar-2014, so AV may even be thinking ahead.

On two other sites I've been monitoring... a framed site that relied entirely on its noframes for ranking (and which held a #1 spot for many months) seems to have disappeared entirely from the database, and a doorway page which had vanished for about a month has just come back.

Edited by: Robert_Charlton

[tedster]

About the NOFRAMES text -- it may be devalued, but it's definitely not ignored. I just did a search for "Your page uses frames but" on AV, and got 1,274,717 pages.

[Robert Charlton]

On the framed site... searching on the company name, I came up with many of the framed pages, which are indexed. The noframes frameset isn't ranking at all.

This may not mean that AltaVista is crawling framed pages. On this site, which I didn't optimize, but on which I advised a friend to try using his noframes area, the webmaster linked from the noframes to all of the site's framed pages.

I've been watching the results for a while, and the site has been doing surprisingly well, clearly because of its title and its noframes content. It's curious to me that home frameset page has suddenly disappeared completely.

[luckynh]

>tedster
This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them. [search.altavista.com]

31,632,422 pages found.

As for indexing frame sites, I hav not see any edviance that they are crawling links within the NOFRAMES tag.

I have built targeted text within each frame set and linked all the pages (text links) and none of them have been crawled.

AV has not deep crawled sites in a while from what I can tell so maybe thats why none of the new paged have been picked up.

[msgraph]

Looks like AV is rotating two different sets of results on a "live" basis. Similar to what MSN has been doing.

Do a search for a keyword phrase, then hit the search button again. You should see two different sets of pages found. The results pretty much stay similar but there are a few variations.

This is probably why the referrals have dropped in half for some people