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I've been overtaken by an Italian site

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Marcia

3:13 pm on Dec 15, 2000 (gmt 0)

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My spot at AV (where I've been for a while now) has been replaced by an Italian site, not one speck of English on it. When looking up url:mydomain that page also shows up, right in there with my pages. It was not there at the beginning of the week, but is now.

All I know in Italian is "mi porti una bottiglia di birra" and a few choice nasties, so I cannot tell what that site is, or whether it's linked - not at all likely.

Looking up the links to that site, there is an enormous collection of FFA link pages.

When I look up links: for my site now, that Italian site is the first one as well as an enormous number of pages of FFA links pages..which I have never done.

Very mysterious - how can this happen?

Mike_Mackin

3:23 pm on Dec 15, 2000 (gmt 0)

chi

3:36 pm on Dec 15, 2000 (gmt 0)



Marcia, I'm Italian.If you want to give me the address of that site and yours I could give them a look.
Ah: you'd to say "Mi porti una bottiglia di birra?" not "de birra"!
Cheers, and I hope I can help you!

rcjordan

3:50 pm on Dec 15, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Same thing happened to me last night (except in German). See [webmasterworld.com]

Everything on my SERP has returned to normal this morning.

Marcia

4:37 pm on Dec 15, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Mr. Mackin, great site, but I don't want to rub them out, I'm just curious as to the mechanics of how this could happen. :)

It went back to normal, now is switching back and forth. I wrote them, let's see what happens.

Grazie chi, I fixed the spelling.

Machiavelli

5:59 pm on Dec 15, 2000 (gmt 0)



I assume that you are only concerned because the keyword phrase for which they've taken your spot is an English phrase?

Marcia

10:36 pm on Dec 16, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Machiavelli, I am concerned not only because I have been nuked from the category (local to my area in California), but also because that site is appearing in a specific search for my domain name. I also am concerned HOW this is being done.

I wrote to AV about it, and didn't even receive an autoresponder reply. So what I'll have to do is report that site as spam, because even though they might not actually remove the that corrupt their search results, a spam complaint does, in fact, receive not only an automated response, but a personal reply.

Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be told HOW this can have happened, and I am very curious to find out.

I'm livid over this.

rencke

10:20 am on Dec 17, 2000 (gmt 0)

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This is absolutely fascinating. Did the host search for your site Marcia and found the Italian site on page two. (It is in German by the way). Read the source - nothing to report and they don't use the name of your valley. So I offer you two possible explanations:

a) hickups at AltaVista
b) for the really paranoid: Machiavelli is pulling your leg, with some clever cloaking. Item: His home page is "A weekend in Florence" Item: The italian site showing up is named "Italian nights." Very suspicious....

I have seen this before though - a single totally unrelated search reply in a host search at AV, so my guess is a) above. Can't be Machiavelli all the time. (Or can it.....?)

Marcia

11:10 am on Dec 17, 2000 (gmt 0)

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rencke, being very paranoid, b) is what I first suspected, but I couldn't imagine who would be so sinister with such a simple little site. Look under web designers *that valley* (the 3 words) and you'll see why I am not a happy camper with this. It's not at all a traffic issue, it's the principle, plus the fight I had to get past the Bar Association's listing.

I did report this to AV again (spam report this time), and also contacted my web host, since they did experience a bit of a DNS problem according to an email a few weeks ago (that's what the email had said). But I was reappearing about every 3rd or 4th search earlier, and now the index page is totally gone. Plus the fact that there are 200 links showing, none of which are linked to me - but could be to the other site.

Also, that Graphics subdirectory is in place for the category, though down a spot (no biggie). It's just the index page that's being "replaced."

Hmmm, never thought of Machiavelli :)

rencke

3:15 pm on Dec 17, 2000 (gmt 0)

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It was Machiavelli who wrote "Place not your faith in princes" 500 years ago, thereby starting the whole paranoia movement.

Did the search and understand why you are climbing the walls. Me thinks AV somehow got and stored the wrong IP number. They meant to have you as #1, but something happened in a DNS server somewhere. Have you checked your IP vs theirs? Clearly AV can't give their users meaningless answers like this one if they want to remain in business. But if it is really an isolated case, then I guess it will end up at the bottom of their pile.

Meanwhile, how about a new URL for yourself: region1-region2-region3-web-designers.com
Or, you could add your URL to the Italian site. They do have an English language interface and I did spot an add URL button. (If you can't beat them, join them.)

Or maybe Machiavelli comes clean and fixes this thing.

Marcia

2:01 am on Dec 18, 2000 (gmt 0)

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My web host did a DNS check and all is OK there. They said AV is the problem, and I've found out that some other people are having the same problem - so Machiavelli is innocent.

>a new URL for yourself: region1-region2-region3-web-designers.com

so rencke, that would be western-united-states-southern-california-los-angeles-web-designers.com Something will have to go, it's over 63 characters.

Machiavelli

10:49 am on Dec 18, 2000 (gmt 0)



- so Machiavelli is innocent.

Phew - that was lucky. I was beginning to suspect myself too....

No, I wish I could do something quite so sinister (as it would have been had it not been an AV error), but I wouldn't have had the faintest idea how to. Besides, my Italian is strictly limited to asking the way to the railway station, and telling girls what beautiful brown eyes they have. The edge has gone out of Italian politics over the last 500 or so years.

rencke

11:51 am on Dec 18, 2000 (gmt 0)

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> western-united-states-southern-california-los-angeles-web-designers.com

Maybe something like san-fernando-valley-web-designers.com with or without hyphens?

Machiavelli, sorry for casting doubt upon your character. As a small token of friendship, here is one more useful phrase for you: "Scusi, dove il una cabinetto?" (Where's the john?) If the answer is anything other than "a destra" (to the right), "a sinistra" (to the left) or "al fondo" (straight ahead) - I guess you're out of luck.

rencke

7:53 pm on Dec 18, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Marcia: Take a look at this.
[webmasterworld.com...]
Seems that adamcmoran may have exactly the same problem.

Marcia

8:12 pm on Dec 18, 2000 (gmt 0)

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>>one more useful phrase for you: "Scusi, dove il una cabinetto?" (Where's the john?)

There is another useful translation of that, in case Machiavelli should ever visit our American South (according to the thread in Foo entitled "Language of the South):

Over yonder, behind that bush.

rcjordan

8:30 pm on Dec 18, 2000 (gmt 0)

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>Over yonder, behind that bush.

...and mind the poison ivy.

Marcia

3:04 am on Dec 19, 2000 (gmt 0)

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>Maybe something like san-fernando-valley-web-designers.com

rencke, it doesn't do enough to warrant $13.50 a year for a new domain name. It's the principle of the thing, something like people who love a fox hunt. It's not the quarry that counts, but the thrill of the chase.

Marcia

8:05 am on Dec 19, 2000 (gmt 0)

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It's happening all over AV. Just came up with a site on the second page of a search for browser detective with a creedence clearwater revival site - in German, but apparently language was detected, and I was redirected to an English language site that's .de

Something is askew with the AV database and European sites (plus all kinds of porn sites coming up, according to the other thread).

georged

9:38 am on Dec 19, 2000 (gmt 0)

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>plus all kinds of porn sites coming up

No, the same one all the time (that I've seen, anyway).

mikesnag

3:14 pm on Dec 19, 2000 (gmt 0)



Yeah I just did a search for "part time jobs", also found the CCR site within the top ten... interesting

Mike
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Brett_Tabke

12:45 pm on Feb 12, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I'm bringing this back to the top to point out a Vicious circle? This thread that was talking about keywords Marcie "didn't" want to be found under, is now found under them on Google BECAUSE of this thread :( So we go from talking about it a month and a half ago, to being the causal agent in it happening. This is exactly part of the problem with Google.

Marcia

12:56 pm on Apr 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I know this is the wrong forum, but it relates to events here in this thread.

The "error" was because of Google results fluctuating, but since the update stabilized, this thread has now moved up from #7 to #5 under web designers san fernando valley at Google. Top ten relevance, folks!

LOL.. not only that, but someone has put a link to me on a Zeus page, using a description which includes all the words in the search term and that link page is #8.

When you think about it, if someone has Google figured out, they can literally stalk a site all over Google SERPS with links. If a few more people put up links with my keywords, we can take over the entire first page.

OK.. I will do a link on another site of my own, and have a friend change the context of her link to me, and we will see two months around.

No big deal, because nobody searches for that phrase anyway, but it's fascinating to me that part of Google's algorithm is so incredibly simplistic that understanding it could actually be dangerous in the wrong hands.

chiyo

2:32 pm on Apr 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

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This is really interesting stuff. My feeling is that the algo will become less simplistic in future. Algos change consistently, though not as fast as users want and faster than SEO's would want. It seems with Google's competitive advantage (relevance) this is one they should be putting resources on...