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Inktomi likes high density, it almost feels like "too much" repetition doing an Ink page.
It's not that those big cheeses are necessarily wrong, but to say that a page *must* be limited to 250-300 pages can not be accurate in all cases. The big cheeses do not have a monopoly on truth, accuracy or expertise. So if any say that, yes they are flat wrong - in some cases, as in the case you're referring to. That particular gentleman you're referring to has an enormous, long and well-established, highly popular site and his pages are very, very long - much more than 250 words. I once had an exchange with him over page size in Alta Vista. He's got tremendous link popularity and he certainly does know a lot about optimization. His perspective, though, is not the same as someone with a newer site that's rather small. Those take a different approach and for the most part Inktomi has to be paid to get them in at all.
There is no_way I believe that any search engines penalize for larger pages. Maybe they won't index past a certain point, and yes in soe cases favor appears to be shown to smaller pages. Understandably so, especially in Google's case. That is not the same as someone just not ranking well, which depends on a lot of factors. For one thing, with larger pages it's harder to figure out and distribute the density.
In your place, if it's what you feel comfortable with, I'd listen to the general concensus of big cheeses. If your site has more than that number of words, break the content down and make more pages. If you don't want to, then do some more work on optimizing the larger pages. Or try an additional page or two to see the difference.
>some of the big guns to join in the discussion
The problem is that some big guns don't join online communities and post, they call it consulting and charge; it's their business. Other big guns post right here for no charge, but if it's not here on the board, you'll have to pay them for consulting, because it's their business also. We never know who may be replying to us, that's what nicknames are for. We've got some members here who I won't mention by name that I'd listen to in a flat second over any high profile people, no matter how much they've been publicized or how well known they are.
You've got to study for yourself, evaluate all the opinions you get, and get into action and try it. There's nothing like experience as a teacher.
From time to time we will make a very wordy page when we want to get 50 to 100 key words or combo phrases in and only want to pay for one page...
You can say in the body: I really like blue frogs - have the same for your title and description - caugh up the bucks for the page and you are in like flint. If the kws/kps are competitive you may have to repeat the phrase a time or two and add a touch of alt text but that's it.
I'm sure INK would deny this but - it looks like its a matter of who uses the keywords the most times in the right places. They even state on their site how important the meta tags are.
INK is more about what your visa card will hold then what your word count is.
It appears INK wants it to be very easy - so you will renew next year. (although I wonder if they doubled the price because only half the people renewed this year?)
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If you are talking about Google they look at many factors to arrive at their search results (and none of they involve your credit card). Google is my search engine of choice when I actually want to find something on the internet because their searches usually result in quality returns.
It appears that INK is now using DMOZ listings (somehow) to improve the appearance of their search results. (just guessing on that)
In a nutshell you can feed INK old web position gold, blue line pages from years ago stuffed with keywords and as long as they are paid, you will do very well. In fact I wish I could find a two or three year old copy of WPG just so I didn't have to build the pages myself.
Sorry, I guess I have to say I don't know what they are talking about when they use the term High-Quality...
They want it to be easy to rank so you will pay up again next year!
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Thanks for hopefully clearing up a misunderstanding :)
~evil big cheese
As someone who has so much to learn, I am constantly impressed not only by the level of expertise displayed by the learned contributors here, but also the way it is offered in a measured and professional manner (IMHO Marcia is just one example) - even when the thread gets heated.
I now exercise my right of choice by not even visiting a particular forum which was useful a year or so ago, but now has been monopolised by an individual bent on self-promotion and the sound of his own postings.
Long live Webmasterworld!
But, the other half of the picture is - - the quality of the visitors we have here and the quality of their posts.
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>How many words should there be on a page Optomized for Inktomi?
From what I've seen with clients paid inclusion pages, 250 is too many. You can hit your density in one paragraph and call it good.
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