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Just started getting hits from MSN. Checked AOL also and its there too. (both Ink. results) Just a coincedence, but had the first hits from AV as well.
...never paid a dime.
Anyone else getting in Ink free?? Not bragging, just curious if I was just lucky with the right links or do sites filter in just at a slower rate.
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about 40 days since submission, title/desc 25 days old, almost daily hits from Ink & Goo spider
just curious, did you pay any directories?
First lot of traffic from MSN ahh that takes me back :)
Thanks Seth.
domain + 4 sub pages found so far.
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Tell me about traffic from msn, used to have #2 for _ex toys before they dropped all the ad*lt terms. I was not in the p*rn biz, but my client was a lingerie store. Ah, the good old days to get 10,000 uniques/day on a single domain from all those engines ...for free
(edited by: Marcia at 8:48 am (gmt) on Dec. 6, 2001)
Yes, but it's hard to tell you exactly how long it took, because I'd submitted to Canada.com just before they switched over to GoTo... I resubmitted via HotBot in Aug, noticed inclusion in Oct, and finally noticed ranking in November.
>>I've found that normally over time the index page will get picked up but nothing else, anyone finding this?<<
I'd gotten external links to one internal page in addition to the index page, and submitted both pages. Both pages are now indexed.
Maybe Ralph Nader is getting Ink or MSN a little nervous. They should be. :)
So, Ink is obviously still doing the free crawl. All the freebies I've seen are well linked, no matter how "deep" in the site they may be.
Do you think Inktomi has an inbound link threshold for free inclusion? Or is it just a natural result of crawling that makes well linked pages easier to find?
Do you think Inktomi has an inbound link threshold for free inclusion? Or is it just a natural result of crawling that makes well linked pages easier to find?
I would not use the term 'threshold', but I think it is more of 'relative'. I don't think you need to pass a certain point, but more of being in the top as compared to other sites.
Ink is obviously still doing the free crawl
I don't think they could stop. Ink needs to continually crawl the entire web so they can continue to build their 'map' of the web.
So, why do some pages make it into Ink partners and most do not. My guess is we see a display of those sites which make the 'bow' of Ink's data. I do not know the answer to whether or not MSN and AOL use the data only from the bow for their Ink listings. But, that would explain why many sites do not show on these engines.
So, how do you get into the 'bow' which makes up the 'core of the map'. My whole idea is not to worry about it. If you run an affiliate program, then your site needs to perform(sell) to gain affiliates and especially to keep them. This eventually leads to more links to your site from other sites on the net in a related topic. If your site is more an informational type of site, then obviously the better info you have to offer will result in more links to your site as an authority on this subject. So, basically build a better site and you get the placement.
I look at Yahoo and I see them counting clicks, Google uses PageRank and now looks to go into visitor voting, more of Ink patners using the 'bow' of sites over the full database, sites which perform better afford higher listings in PPC, etc.
It looks to me as if the search engine's are telling us that better sites are what rank. We seem to, many times, work against that fact. Should I spend an hour to learn how to use and configure an auto submit program for 1 domain as opposed to submitting it by hand to 10 or so DBs, then spend that other 30 mins thinking about the link from a visitor filter page and how it links to a hard sell closing page. What does it say right before they see the headline of the next page? Building better sites, regardless of the purpose of the site, results in better and more links to your site.
Look at our markeing efforts now as SEOs, link hunting. We spend more of this time looking at our PageRank as opposed to counting the keyword density of a doorway. The job of an SEO is no longer just about code, but more into marketing and copy. Didn't I read that 80% of companies do SEO inhouse and do a very lousy job at it. The article even recommends to outsource SEO. Wrong approach!! These 3 aspects of a site, code, copy, and marketing, today are too reliant on each other. What we need to be is good at all 3 aspects of building a site. Yes, your job description has changed.
From a search engine point of view, I would want the better sites to show on top of my listings.
So, build a better site and get into Ink for free. Those pages that don't make the bow, and the site warrents it(and is ready for it!), pay for it. This is my idea on Ink anyway... does that about some up marketing in Ink?
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So, can you write a page with killer rank and still sell. Very few can. I'm not one of them, but thats my goal.
Is there any way of checking the ink index ??
also have they got a staging process like www#.google.com ?
I submitted a few sites about 2 months ago
thanks in advance
Here's a link to the Position Tech pure Inktomi results:
[169.207.238.189...]
There is no trick to getting a free page in - it may happen but its very unlikely.
Sorry...
-s-
In addition, looking at the pure ink results I see that in some areas there is quite a number of new additions with no commercial value (hence I assume unpaid?).
And how often do they get crawled?
One of the advantages of paid subscription is the 48-hour refresh. This is a DEFINITE plus, one that is particularly noticeable if you did SEO prior to their P4I program.
When you make changes to the included pages, you don't have to wait weeks or even months for Ink to pick up those changes. Maybe it's just me, but I find this advantage worth every dime I pay them.
