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pay inktomi = get fuzzy keyword data

and it's good, too.

         

jeremy goodrich

5:23 pm on Oct 7, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Recently, I recommended to a client that he pay for Inktomi inclusion - after all, they power (I think we all know who) and that has huge potential.

Now, I haven't had the time to properly tweak the pages, but even so, they have recieved a few click throughs. And each time, it's given me keyword data that I could not have obtained otherwise. The search terms weren't ones I would necessarily target, but it brought back something to me that I had forgot to think about for a while, and it's a good reason to pay inktomi (for a commercial site selling a product or service, at least).

Consider keywords "cheap product" "great product" or "brand X product". These might be run of the mill, generic phrases that in a competitive industry, at least 70% of those doing business are already targetting. But, "brand Y product" "inexpensive product's" or "GREAT PRODUCT ONLINE" (yep, I've seen some people search in all caps lol). These are the keyword combos that, even though they might not generate a ton of traffic, say only 10 clicks/month, but the conversion might be golden.

This data, and the conversion rates that follow, are incredible for a commercial site. I have thought for a while that this is "fuzzy keyword data" and that's why sometimes, I would say, "Yep, pay 'em (inktomi)".

I'd be willing to bet others have obtained fuzzy keyword data from this experience too...any thoughts on how to improve the mining of these off the radar, and fuzzy keyword combos ?

mayor

3:15 pm on Oct 12, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Since starting to review the PT reports on my paid-inclusion Ink pages, some surprising things are seen:

1. As you note, Jeremy, people are putting in some pretty weak (you call them 'fuzzy') search terms and these are capturing Ink traffic.

2. I'm getting far more hits from deep SERPs, like fourth and fifth pages, than conventional wisdom would suggest. Perhaps more and more surfers are deciding to jump over the paid pages they typically find at the top of the SERPs these days.

tigger

3:30 pm on Oct 12, 2001 (gmt 0)

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mayor

I also found this its amazed me just how far people are digging through all the results to find your listing on a search phrase that you’d never thought of, for me if I can't find it in the first one or two pages I'm off somewhere else

I think the deepest search so far was results shown on listing 127th god knows what page that was on as I can't be bothered to click through all the MSN results to find it

mayor

4:31 am on Oct 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Well, Jeremy and Tigger, I've been taking a closer look at this fuzzy web and it's a bit of an eye opener. I don't understand it but it's real. People are mining deeply into the serps with keyword phrases that are not to be found on conventional radar screens.

I have one page submitted to Ink through PT that is completely unoptimized but heavy with content (and hence fuzzy phrases) and it draws surprising Ink traffic from fuzzy web searches. However, it is only in a moderately competitive category.

So I've just submitted another unoptimized content-heavy page in a highly competitive category to see what happens. Maybe we are looking at an evolution here, now that top serp positions are loaded up with paid and SEO'd pages.

jilla

9:25 pm on Oct 19, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I have a question about this thread:

Should the page with the heavy content be on one theme or could it be a mall type of page
that will hit y and z brand and non popular phrases.

Thanks.

mayor

3:11 am on Oct 20, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Jilla, my approach has been to develop a lengthy page that includes lots of obscure keywords, as well as common ones, around some kind of theme or common subject matter. But I do include reference to several related items and brands on the page.

mayor

11:35 pm on Oct 21, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Results are now coming in for a test page aimed at exloiting this "fuzzy web" for a highly competitive subject.

The paid-inclusion page is getting one or two hits a day from deep and/or obscure keyword combinations. Actually, that's good, because considering the highly competitive nature of the subject (mortgages), I would be lucky to get one or two hits a week had I tried to target top positions using conventional optimization techniques.

As it turns out, I already had most of the content for this page, so the effort to make the fuzzy web page was only a few hours. If I had to start from scratch, it would have taken days and would not be worth the effort.