Ink listing.

I am in but...

[TMK]

Hi.. (New here first post).

I have paid for one of my sites to get included in Ink. and It was within 3 days. But I can only locate it searching for its URL.

This normal?.

Thanks

[tigger]

hi TMK and welcome to the WmW

did you submit the index page? if so that is your problem, also of course is the page optimised for ink?

[TMK]

Thanks for the welcome.

Whats the best way to optimise for Ink?.

[tigger]

The best way is to use the WmW site search there's loads of useful info around, once you've got some ideas try them out at least now that you've bitten the bullet and paid for your pages they will get spidered every 48 hrs, so try changing things around after all your not going to get banned :)

Concentrate on 1 or 2 keywords per page; try maximum 5/6 words within your title and a good description.

[TMK]

I have found some great info on this site that has helped.

I am going to hang around here for awhile I think.

Thanks again.

[JD]

Tigger I am curious why you said the problem might be that TMK submitted the index.

[tigger]

When the PT scheme first started I paid & submitted various clients index page, thinking as it was the index page this should rank better than perhaps a doorway, this was not the case the keywords that had been optimised for the page were nowhere to be found, so I switched the page around to a doorway same layout, within 3 days the keywords were in the top 3.

Others have found similar problems with index pages.

[stcrim]

Tigger is 100 percent correct!!!

And - think of each page for ink as a separate country that must stand on its own. Links, themes and all the other stuff does not apply to ink.

The worst possible doorway page with kws in comment tags and the whole bit is more likely to rank well than a well made content filled page that GOOGLE so loves.

If you can dig up some of the adult spam from a couple of years ago and do what they did - then pay ink you will be amazed at how well you rank in "pure ink".

The only thing I can think is that MSN - AOL and the others must be paying ink bargin basement prices for search results.

-s-

[JD]

So If you submit a doorway/hallway to PT will they crawl other pages linked on that page or do you have to belly up and pay for each page?

[tigger]

JD.

nope you only get in what you pay for, links will not be followed

[zechariah]

Yes-it's my index page too - but I did not pay for it.But I got another site which is the index page but rather simple & got to search by the keywords i wanted.but probaly this link was quite some time ago-say one year - did ink only change their algo only lately for this year - can you direct me a link on how to optimized a site for ink
thanks

[2_much]

stcrim, that's a bit surprising to hear, that Ink doesn't care about links, themes, etc.

I've been seeing that my sites that rank well with Google do so with Inktomi too. I thought it was due to link popularity, for the top ranking pages don't have extensive on-page optimization.

Any ideas as to what else ink likes?

[4eyes]

Is it possible that:

Inktomi uses link pop for non-paid pages but rates all paid pages as if they had the top link pop?

How would we check?

[stcrim]

2_much,

4eyes may be on to something with the above post. My hand full of paid pages are like little islands with no links to anything but each other. They are templates with only the kws changed on each - and they rank very well - that is, under the directory and GOTO listings (what a bunch of junk - pages that rank #1 in ink but may be #50 in the results under directory and goto - and to think, I paid for that)

-s-

[4eyes]

If so, the only logical thing to do is build separate Inktomi sites - 2 or 3 pages only - and fill them with crap to get the top ten rankings that we need.

No point in polluting our 'real' sites.

All together now, 'I wonder why Inktomi is full of spam?' :)

[2_much]

I'm going to test this as well. I have a bunch of paid pages too. What's curious to me is that, without any analysis (I don't pay much attention because like yours, even my top listings are buried), our paid pages that rank well in Google also rank well in Inktmoi. Non-paid pages don't rank well. Don't know how this is happening.

[Marcia]

I doubt that this is related to link pop, because I don't think anyone ever looks here to begin with, to be perfectly honest. It is, however, a good way to test Ink rankings.

I've got pages showing under a category with a total of 238,377 search results returned, with only 3 directory listings in the category - a good show of it's non-popularity, isn't it?

Here's what I've got:

#6 at MSN, without 3 directory listings equivalent to # 3 if it were pure Ink, an internal page in the root directory of an UNPAID site.

#7 at MSN, without 3 directory listings equivalent to # 4 if it were pure Ink, the index page of a /directory/ containing a keyword, in a PAID site. Same search term as the previous.

The main index page of the PAID site is in the 60's for a search term because it's got lousy optimization for that phrase. But it has not been "purged." Neither has the index page of the UNPAID site been "purged", which is right near the other for the same search phrase - in the 60's, not really optimized at all, not deserving of any more, to be honest. Neither one is, for that phrase.

The index page of the UNPAID site is # 1 for the keyphrase it's optimized for. Has been for ages, and I wouldn't give you ten bucks for it, for all the traffic it gets. But it's "sleepers" like this that kind of show what Ink is all about, so who can complain?

What's the point? My unpaid page has been in there forever, seems to be what's called "bullet-proof" and does proportionately according to how relevant it is according to Ink criteria. I can't really see how the paid pages do any differently, it seems to depend on what I do with them. They're all still in there. Totally worthless for traffic, but "in there." :)

[TC_MAT]

Hey guys!
From what I gather if and when an index page
say [mydomain.com,...] paid inclusion
for INK, will get buried. As I understand it
anything without "html' will not pan out quite well, keywords search and considering
it will not rank too good if ever to be found.
My curiousity drove me to a make a direct inquiry regarding this issue. PT and INK
responsed was "Not True". If it was a misconception on my part then I apologize. It is my concern however, since I have an eommerce site. Then I wonder what would be an ideal candidate if the index page is so vital.
Can someone please enlighten me.

[zechariah]

HI TC welcome to the forum --I'm not quite certain of this either but from my experience,I had an index page in with a good site title & ranked very well.For TMK' case I think that he did not put a site title for his index page other that his URL name of the site on the title therefore the case.But with sites that get in free will definitely be buried even with a good site title...Concluding is that it's all in the title & keywords youre after to get good rankings.
That's what I see.:)

[tigger]

Hi TC

Forget submitting index pages under the PFI

>Then I wonder what would be an ideal candidate if the index page is so vital

That used to be the case with inktomi not anymore, create a doorway for ink pay for that to be included and so long as you've got your page correct you should get a half decent ranking for it.

My experience with ink is it's all the title & description