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Also I looked under URL submission and this is pointing to ODP only, but I've never been there before so I don't know if this has changed.
Is this another SE leaving the sinking ship.
Well, I went in to SEO for a challenge!
Search.aol.com [search.aol.com]
there's Inktomi logo on the right ...
so, inktomi stay on Aol, no ?
for specific search, it's inktomi I think
They have the nerve to blame things on spammers:
[inktomi.com...]
See question 6
What a joke. I hate to see anyone lose traffic, but I for one will be glad when Inktomi and AltaVista go under.
Has anyone had good results using it?
It's been there for sometime. I think it submits sites into the UK Directory listings, well I've been submitting sites using it and most seem to get in
Name two engines that:
a) Do not re-index frequently (unless you pay)
b) Do not readily accept submissions
Yes... AV and Ink. Both used to be excellent - submit and you could guarantee a spider visit and rapid appearence in the index.
Both took their eye off the ball - forgot that their core product is the search engine. Both allowed their product to deteriorate in search of short term financial gain.
Both are now fading fast, and may well not survive, let alone recover.
Big lesson here for search engine companies I think...
Granted there has to be a mechanism for accepting new content, but using yahoo new sites accepted, following links from recongnized "hubs" are much better. These have been reviewed (however imperfectly), but certianly represent a better quality review than simply accepting new sites from Add URL's, even after allowing for the vast quantity of SPAM to filter through
It is actually depressing, as the world could definitely do with as many free, clean engines as possible. I just hope that neither FAST nor Google follow the same road to deterioration.
All you get for your $30 is inclusion of that page in the Inktomi dB, nothing more, nothing less. Where you rank on a keyword search is up to how well the page is optimised.
Jill
Being in Ink is becoming less important now. I look for it to become less and less over the next 2 months. Maybe this is why I never "paid" to get into Ink? :)
BTW, Ink partners now:
(all secondary searches)
GoTo
Looksmart
MSN
HotBot
AOL = ? ..up in the air.
others? ..aside from many smaller ones.
Look for MSN and Looksmart to drop them also. ..IMO
if you can only find you're site by looking for the URL I would try changing your page around so it's more attractive to ink, or maybe as you've paid the fee produce a doorway optimised for your keyword and switch it over from the current paid page
if it's only searchable under the URL it's not that good.
>if I search with those keywords, even by typing the title in word for word, I cannot get the listing
you need to look at the page and what keyword your trying to optimise for. I recently submitted a page which has ranked very well with AOL(co.uk) but only for 3 keywords which are the 3 keywords I optimised for
Blossoms, sometimes a little less optimization will do more for you. Try a shorter title, use fewer keywords in the title, and don't repeat any word more than twice. Try using fewer keywords altogether on the page and in the meta tags. By using a lot of them the importance is diluted.
Another thing you might try is rearranging the page a bit. The text paragraph on the bottom of the page (which should just have a few keywords) is buried under the code for the drop-down form. Try putting a short paragraph toward the top of the page.
It's not a matter of how much a page is optimized, it's more a matter of how closely the page matches the requirements of the algorithm.
I'd suggest waiting a week or so before trying to make sense of what they're doing.
>They have the nerve to blame things on spammers:
Actually, I tend to believe this. If you've ever worked high up in a directory -- or even low down in one :) -- I think you could see the logic in this.
People are less likely to submit spam, doorway pages, and irrelevant content to a directory or search engine if they have to pay per page.
Exactly, Blossoms. Showing up for the keywords is based on page optimization, compared with the other pages it's competing with. Plus a couple of other factors can enter into it.
>I cannot change the page on the site.
>URL was submitted by an affiliate
Blossoms, this is what it looks like to me:
1. The domain is an affiliate site, identical with the other except for the domain name, which is why you have no control over the site.
2. The domain is redirected to the other site.
3. The other site appears to me to be cloaked.
There are a massive number of highly competitive two word phrases used on the site, even competing with a number of well-optimized adult sites.
If the above is correct, the recourse I see is to do yet another site, with a different domain name altogether, using your own original content with highly targeted 4-word less competitive keyword phrases, making it easier to get some kind of ranking, and just link to this affiliate site.
If I'm wrong correct me, but this is what I've deduced, and if it's correct, it will affect DMOZ and Inktomi listings, as well as others.
1 reduce the title and try to optimise (the correct spelling dig dig) for one or two keywords
2 you have way too many keywords in your meta keywords, cut back to maybe around 15 but do not repeat your optimised word more than twice
3 your meta description is way too long again as above try for around 10 - 15 words with the keyword optimised for in the description but only once and must make sense as a complete sentence as otherwise people will not click on it
if the submission was for the index page, change it and make another as above and try again, you are trying to get into a very niche market that probably has a lot of competition for the keywords you are trying to get a high ranking for, so if I was you I would look at your keywords again and maybe try some others that you would stand a chance of getting a ranking for.
Say, this thread has gone off-track from whether AOL is using Ink results now, hasn't it?
Has anyone seen any further evidence to corroborate that the partnership no longer exists? Have there been any news stories or press releases? Anything new over the weekend, or do we wait until Tuesday?
>To our knowledge the Inktomi/AOL partnership is strong. We believe that AOL is revising the way results are returned and once completed Inktomi's results will be displaying.
It will be interesting just how AOL will be displaying them
