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What do they use for their rankings? Most of the pages I see in competitive keyword searches are nothing more than spam. Has this turned into a paid for spam engine now? I know that the partners take the data then apply their own algos to it, correct? We used to get a lot of traffic from Ink, especially from Hotbot. That is definitely not the case any longer.
So, is it link popularity? Tons of keywords? Does each partner have totally different criteria, and if so how would you optimize a page to rank well on most of them?
Oh and one more thing, approximately how often do the major partners update? I know that our paid pages are supposed to be refreshed every 48 hours, but it appears that the partners only update sporadically.
Thanks,
Jill
Yes.
Yep.
I've completely given up trying to get anything into ink for free, IMHO it will just get buried, if you were lucky enough to get a site in the old main database they still seem to be ranking well, but I have no idea of how to get into it.
I tend to find that within 2/3 days most of the ink partners will show the new paid submission AOL being the slowest
try for about
Title area from 6 to 8 words
Text area from 1 to 150 words is suggested
Meta keywords about 15, first word being main keyword
Body Text area from 1 to 3 times is suggested
Body Text area from 348 to 597 words is suggested
Page as a whole from 2 to 4 times in total is suggested
Total word count from 421 to 767 is suggested for the page as a whole
NFFC got there before me :)
tigger: Thanks for the information. I am actually talking about paid for inclusion pages, not free submits which I have given up on quite some time ago.
I have a few questions:
"Text area from 1 to 150 words is suggested"
I assume this is the meta description tag as you have the body text listed differently?
You suggested that you only use your keyword(phrase) approximately 4 times in the entire document. So that would be once in the meta keywords area and at least once in the body text and that would about cover it. Do you suggest keeping it out of the title and meta description areas?
Honestly this looks great except for the fact that when I do a keyword search for some of the most competitive phrases the pages are slammed with keywords repeated dozens of times, just like the old days. I didn't think that pages that were paid for would be cloaked, so I assumed this was the actual pages submitted to Ink.
If you would like to look at a page of mine that I think should be ranking fairly decently, let me know and I'll send you the url via email. Again, thanks for your input!
Jill
LOL, sorry for the brevity!
I'm working on some stuff about Inktomi at the minute, just need to edit it down to a useable length.
Just to tempt you with the title:
The Inktomi Search Engine: From wired to tired.
As for your next literary work, I await it anxiously. ;)
Jill
Yep Inktomi has and still loves those solid, nothing but keyword pages. It's pretty sad but that's Inktomi for you.
I think the only thing they are good at detecting is when a page is updated. Which is pretty much where all their money gets dumped into. You have to constantly add/subtract/replace/rotate a few words and links in your pages for them to give you a good consideration.
>Text area from 1 to 150 words is suggested
sorry left off the word link, not really a vital piece of the jigsaw :)
-s-
FAST will be waiting in the wings to enter center stage with quality, support and an honest effort to excel
>Or better yet, they decide to run their own paid spam program
That could work - 3 weeks out of the month, like their ISP
I thought about it, and at this point if I want to rank higher than 6ft under I would have no choice but to do that. I just have an aversion to using those tactics at this time. I have a feeling that any intelligent surfers are going to get completely sick of all this nonsense and your prediction of them falling apart may come true, if we're lucky.
Marcia: >> like their ISP<< LOL! It's a sad state of afairs isn't it?
I used to really like Inktomi and respected the way they did business. I'm over that now. I've pretty much been sticking with Google since their spidered results actually show up eventually (unlike AV). I guess I have no choice but to create a few pages like I've seen and see what happens. Even though Ink is taking money for their page spidering they shouldn't just let the whole deal fall apart by making it the goal of webmasters to spam the net yet again.
Jill
