Inktomi Survey

Taste of things to come?

[makemetop]

Received a survey request from Inktomi today. Usual waffle about being valued customer, what do you think of the service etc then:

Would you like position reports monthly?
Would you like click through reports monthly?
Would you like SEO tips?
Would you like to be able to report spammers directly to Ink? And what is it worth?!
Would you like a human review of your page for higher rankings and what is it worth?

Interesting!

[tigger]

had the same e-mail, make's you wonder if this is also tied up the the redirects that are now being shown on hotbot/msn.

all these questions here's one I have "how much will this additional service cost"

[georged]

Exactly, like Microsoft charging you to report a bug.

[jeremy goodrich]

If I report them a 'spammer' and they act on it, I did them a service, not the other way around.

If I can't do SEO to get rankings to save my skin, then I'm in the wrong business, and I shouldn't need tips from the engine itself. I have goto and findwhat for that.

All they are doing is fishing for more revenue, trying to become the SEO partner that the industry has never needed. We've got each other, through this place. You can be anon, or decloak yourself. And the knowledge here will cover everything, and is free...so why would I want to pay a company who is just trying desperately to figure out how to maximize shareholder value, and not my pocketbook?

[NFFC]

Hey guy's, did you get the mail direct from Ink, if so how did they obtain your address?

[tigger]

yes ink direct. makes you wonder just how much information PT have to pass over to ink

[knight00]

actually the monthly position report thing is not such a bad idea, i certainly think that is the way more and more search engines are going to go! especially after the fuss regarding webposition gold and it reporting software.

I think INK are trying to create the perfect search engine!! mmmm is that possible

[NFFC]

>makes you wonder just how much information PT have to pass over to ink

Anyone got a copy of the TOS, do they have a privacy policy?

[tigger]

I don't like the question >What is the most you'd be willing to pay per page ($/yr)?

considering we are all paying $12 per page these services if offered should be free

I can't remember seeing the privacy policy although I do have some more pages to submit later today so I'll have a hunt around, whats the betting theirs a broken link on PT called " privacy policy" :(

[NFFC]

>more pages to submit later today so I'll have a hunt around

Any luck tigger, has the elusive privacy policy been found?

[tigger]

Had a hunt around but found nothing, mind you on another note changed some PT pages yesterday that were ranking poor and today just checked on hotbot/goto now ranking in top 3 :)

It may well be the privacy policy is only visible on initial sign up, just a guess

[alaska]

just found on my positiontech welcome page:

"Please note that there will be a price change effective 04/23/01. URLs 2-20 will increase to $15.00 each and URLs 21-1,000 will remain at $12.00."

[stcrim]

alaska,

Thanks for stopping by the INK forum of WMW. Sorry to hear that PT feels the need to gouge everyone. But more power to them - guess as long as people are willing to go along with it (not me) they will keep doing it. We are spending our time working the remaining few "real" search engines. And it is and has been paying off.

When INK's stock slips to "zip" at least they'll know they did it themselves...

whoaaaaaa I feel better

-s-

[alaska]

Hi Stcrim,
many compliments for the sound concepts I read from you and the others here at WMW.
I'm a newby in this world of SE and SEO, I might better say i'm still not even born for this world (i'm a fetus). After running a website for 2 years, I experienced that generating traffic with website content only is very hard to mantain so I decided to start the long way to SEO to make my advertisers happier. I started with SE PPC and now moving to traditional positioning. So I'm putting some money on Ink because of the prompt reply (I cannot wait too long to see the results of my work) and, when/if I will do good enough I will try to move to the other SE (possily without paying).
Do you think I'm moving in the right path? Would you suggest a different behavior to a newby in this world?

[tigger]

alaska

One of the main advantages to the PT scheme is the 48 hr refresh, which as your new to SEO will alowe you to monitor and change pages around to try and gain ground on maybe a specific SE, I have recently change some pages around to try and get better placement on MSN.co.uk.

Didn't have a great success with MSN but moved up quite nicely with Hotbot, very odd these dam SE's :) anyone know how often MSN updates it's database

[BoneHeadicus]

>>>>>makes you wonder just how much information PT have to pass over to ink.

>>>Anyone got a copy of the TOS, do they have a privacy policy?

NFFC....are you on to something over there?

[grnidone]

*G pulls Bonehead aside*

<whisper>NFFC is kind of a sleuth</whisper>

*sigh* I have never wanted to say this, but I am going to now.

I have never had a problem with getting Inktomi listings. Ever. They are the only traffic producer for me that sticks on a consistant basis and has for over a year.

I have never heard of Ink using incoming links as part of the algo, but it makes me wonder.

The particular site that does *really* well on Ink sells a product that is commonly resold on auction sites. Consequently, the site has a *lot* of links from auction sites. (Ebay and the like.) People selling their widget will have a link in their ad which points to the various description pages of the product on the site.

This site also has a very good direct hit ranking.

please don't stone me...

-G

[scott]

Is there an engine that lists Ink results FIRST and undiluted? Seems everywhere I go, I get alot of paid listings, etc, and THEN INK results (MSN lists them well after DirectHit, for example). I have a few pages that do well in Ink, but never see many hits from them because of the Ink results being buried behind ads, or some other SE results. From where are you getting the great Ink referrals?

[DrCool]

I have been getting some very good traffic on a number of sites from the Inktomi engines. MSN and GoTo are two of the bigger referrers I see coming from Inktomi. I have been pleased with the Positiontech service but I wish they would set a price and leave it rather than change it every couple of weeks.

[tigger]

scott

I find canada.com to be a good starting point

[stcrim]

alaska,

The very best advice is "learn'um all" I spent most of my time studying INKTOMI. With all the changes that have happened I have (over the past year or so) had to get a crash course in many of the other SEs. The traffic we get from GOOGLE is now fantastic - and we are using many of the methods from our years of chasing INK.

Creating a balance with directories and SEs mixed is by far the best way to go. Hanging out here (WMW) has been the most valuable move we have made. SEO comes with frustration that can only be over come by continuing to try.

Sorry to lead this thread Off Topic

-s-

[NFFC]

>Anyone got a copy of the TOS, do they have a privacy policy?

>NFFC....are you on to something over there?

Well BH, just that information seems to be being passed through to Ink, can't remember anyone asking for permission. Makes you wonder what else is being "requested!.

[tigger]

just came across this while submitting some new sites.

www.positiontech.com/privacy.htm

interesting reading

[BoneHeadicus]

>>>Well BH, just that information seems to be being passed through to Ink, can't remember anyone asking for permission. Makes you wonder what else is being "requested!.

Kinda reminds me of the line from the movie Sneakers...the Russian spy says "you won't know who to trust" right before the FBI shoots him and frame the good guy for the murder.

[NFFC]

>just came across this while submitting some new sites

In fairness this seems pretty clear:

Note that if you sign up for service from one of our Partnership programs, you hereby authorize and consent that we may share with the Partner the following information concerning you: e-mail address, name, title, entity, address and phone number (collectively "Contact Information").

I must admit that I couldn't find it before, is it new?

[tigger]

I've never seen it before

[Marcia]

Just for the record, I have received nothing from them. Are you signed up with PT here?

[tigger]

Marcia

the privacy policy is on the bottom of the home page, you don't have to be member to read it

[Marcia]

no, tigger, I meant I didn't receive any survey from them - I generally respond to surveys.